If you have a BVM (Bag Valve Mask resuscitator), you should not need naloxone. The problem is inadequate respiration, not inadequate naloxonation.

- Rogue Medic

Did Drugs Kill Whitney Houston

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As with the death of Michael Jackson, this is not a call you want to be on, because everybody is going to be second-guessing everything that was done, but let’s assume that you are dispatched.

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Law enforcement sources tell TMZ … multiple medicine bottles were found in the Beverly Hills hotel room where Whitney Houston died … but we’re told there were NOT a lot of pills at the scene.[1]

there were NOT a lot of pills at the scene.

This suggests that a lot of pills were taken, but does not tell us over what time period?

How many pills should have been in the containers if the pills were taken as prescribed?

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Among the pills … ibuprofen (painkiller), Xanax (anti-depressant), Midol (for menstrual cramps), amoxicillin (for treating bacterial infections) … and more.[1]

Ibuprofen and Midol are sometimes the same thing, but Midol comes in so many different formulations, that you cannot tell without knowing the specific version.[2] I did not know there were so many different drugs sold under essentially the same name. Besides, I use chocolate to keep my inner woman from PMSing.

The ones that catch my eye are – . . . Xanax … and more.

What is Xanax?

Xanax is the brand name for alprazolam, a benzodiazepine. Other benzodiazepines are drugs we commonly carry – diazepam (Valium), midazolam (Versed), and lorazepam (Ativan). Treatment of benzodiazepine overdose is supportive care (maintain oxygenation and ventilation, and maintain blood pressure). There is a competitive antagonist, flumazenil (Romazicon), but flumazenil does not bring benzodiazepine overdoses back from the dead any more than naloxone (Narcan) brings heroin overdoses back from the dead. The treatment for opioid overdose is also supportive care.

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Absorption
Following oral administration, alprazolam is readily absorbed. Peak concentrations in the plasma occur in 1 to 2 hours following administration. Plasma levels are proportionate to the dose given; over the dose range of 0.5 to 3.0 mg, peak levels of 8.0 to 37 ng/mL were observed. Using a specific assay methodology, the mean plasma elimination half-life of alprazolam has been found to be about 11.2 hours (range: 6.3–26.9 hours) in healthy adults.
[3]

11+ hours can be a long time. Xanax XR (eXtended Release) does not appear to prolong the clearance of alprazolam, only the onset. What can affect the rate of elimination of alprazolam?

Metabolism/Elimination
Alprazolam is extensively metabolized in humans, primarily by cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4), to two major metabolites in the plasma: 4-hydroxyalprazolam and α-hydroxyalprazolam.
[3]

A lot of the technical drug information is not important, but the cytochrome P450 metabolism is important in the elimination of a lot of medications

CYP3A4 is a member of the cytochrome P450 superfamily of enzymes. . . . This enzyme is involved in the metabolism of approximately half the drugs that are used today, including acetaminophen, codeine, ciclosporin, diazepam, and erythromycin. . . . Most drugs undergo deactivation by CYP3A4, either directly or by facilitated excretion from the body. Also, many substances are bioactivated by CYP3A4 to form their active compounds, and many protoxins being toxicated into their toxic forms[4]

Grapefruit juice can slow down metabolism by about half, so some consumer sites may recommend that people drink grapefruit juice to cut down on the cost of medications. This really is not a great idea, since it may affect other medications. It is something to discuss with a doctor, so that your doctor is aware of things that may interact with the medications you are taking, but doctors should do that anyway.

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One interesting item that does not appear to be related to CYP3A4 metabolism. It makes me wonder about the effect flumazenil might have on smokers. There is no mention of smoking or cigarettes on the flumazenil label.[5]

Cigarette Smoking
Alprazolam concentrations may be reduced by up to 50% in smokers compared to non-smokers.
[4]

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We’re told some of the pills were old … some issued in 2011 … but some of the bottles were from 2012.[1]

As long as a month and a half ago? Some people have milk and eggs that are that old, too. The medications should age much better than dairy products.

A prescription for alprazolam is often written as PRN (Pro Re Nata – Latin for according to the circumstances, or to be taken as needed). Alprazolam is an anti-anxiety drug that has addiction potential, just as with other GABA (GammaAminoButyric Acid) agonists (such as benzodiazepines and alcohol).

A PRN prescription that is more than a month old is not a problem. A prescription that is empty too soon is much more likely to be a problem. One problem with PRN prescriptions is that we usually do not know how quickly the patient has been taking them, so we do not know how many should be in the pill bottle. Some people do not want others to know that they are taking medication to manage anxiety (Tony Soprano), so their family may not even know they have a prescription for these medications.

In other words, with PRN medications, it is difficult to determine if too much has been taken

The acute oral LD50 in rats is 331–2171 mg/kg. Other experiments in animals have indicated that cardiopulmonary collapse can occur following massive intravenous doses of alprazolam (over 195 mg/kg; 975 times the maximum recommended daily human dose of 10 mg/day).[3]

Prescriptions often come in a pill bottle that contains 100 pills of 0.5 mg, 1 mg, or 2 mg strengths. It is unlikely that a dose of even 200 mg would be enough by itself to kill a person.

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General Treatment of Overdose
Overdosage reports with XANAX Tablets are limited. As in all cases of drug overdosage, respiration, pulse rate, and blood pressure should be monitored. General supportive measures should be employed, along with immediate gastric lavage. Intravenous fluids should be administered and an adequate airway maintained. If hypotension occurs, it may be combated by the use of vasopressors. Dialysis is of limited value. As with the management of intentional overdosing with any drug, it should be borne in mind that multiple agents may have been ingested.
[3]

With any potential overdose, always assume that other drugs/poisons have been taken.

We should use the Plus One Rule

We should assume that there is at least one drug that we do not know about that the patient has taken. If we find out about more medication, wed still should assume that there is something that the patient has taken that we do not know about. The same rule applies to weapons. We should always assume that a violent/potentially violent patient has at least one weapon that we do not know about. Especially after they have been searched by police or prison personnel.

We should not expect antidotes to work the same way in dead patients as they do in living patients.[6]

General supportive measures should be employed, along with immediate gastric lavage.

Lavage (pumping the stomach) is not something EMS should be doing. Inducing vomiting is a bad idea in a patient who may not be able to protect her airway – even with an endotracheal tube in place.

Intravenous fluids should be administered and an adequate airway maintained. If hypotension occurs, it may be combated by the use of vasopressors.

Always use fluids for hypotension before pressors, unless fluids are contraindicated, or unless a pressor is specifically indicated, even with acute CHF (Congestive Heart Failure).

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Did drugs kill Whitney Houston?

I don’t know, but the drugs listed in this article probably did not kill her.

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[1] Whitney Houston – Few Pills Recovered at Death Scene
TMZ
2/13/2012 7:45 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Article

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[2] Midol
Wikipedia
Article

As with cough and cold medicine, it is important to read the label to know what you are getting

The “Midol Complete” formulation consists of:

Acetaminophen 500 mg (Pain Reliever)
Caffeine 60 mg (Stimulant)
Pyrilamine Maleate 15 mg (Antihistamine)

The “Extended Relief” formulation consists of:

Naproxen Sodium 220 mg (NSAID, Pain Reliever/Fever Reducer)

The “Teen” formulation consists of:

Acetaminophen 500 mg (Pain Reliever)
Pamabrom 25 mg (Diuretic)

The “Liquid Gels” formulation consists of:

Ibuprofen 200 mg (Pain Reliever)

The “PM” formulation consists of:

Acetaminophen 500 mg (Pain Reliever)
Diphenhydramine citrate 38 mg (Sedative antihistamine)

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[3] XANAX (alprazolam) tablet
[Pharmacia and Upjohn Company]

DailyMed
NLM
FDA label

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[4] CYP3A4
Wikipedia
Article

Large list of drugs that affect CYO3A4 metabolism.

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[5] FLUMAZENIL injection, solution
[Baxter Healthcare Corporation]

DailyMed
NLM
FDA label

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[6] Dissecting the ACLS Guidelines on Cardiac Arrest from Toxic Ingestions
Rogue Medic
Tue, 01 Nov 2011
Article

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A Better Way to Locate the Closest AED

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In having to come up with games, or other methods of locating AED (Automated External Defibrillators), we are trying to solve a system design problem that might be as simple as an equipment design problem.

Maybe the answer is to put RFID (Radio Frequency IDentification) chips in each of the AEDs. Last night I was discussing this with Brandi Winemiller and she suggested that I write more about this.

RFID is usually short range, but the signal can be picked up at longer distances with the right equipment. Then it becomes a problem of where to place equipment to locate RFIDs or what type of mobile equipment to use and how to use it. RFID is easier to keep up to date than running the occasional contest.

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If people willing to do CPR are encouraged in CPR courses to download an application that helps to locate the closest AED, that would bring the information to the target audience. The information might be from the AED itself, or from the mapping application, or both. Maybe RFID is the wrong technology, but it is certainly worth considering.

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One application is AED4 US.

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CPR only requires compressions (CPR/ACLS guidelines admit this is true for bystander CPR, but fear prevents the admission that the same is true for EMS and hospital personnel), so we could use a lot of the course time to teach AED use. Since teaching continuous compressions and AED use does not require a lot of time, we could shorten the courses significantly.

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If the CPR course is shortened and simplified, then mobile CPR teaching might be a better way to bring the knowledge to the people who might use it. We need to get over our fascination with ventilation in cardiac arrest and the pit crew approach that is justified by the lack of understanding of the lack of benefit of ventilations.[1]

CPR can be nice and simple and be even more effective than when we complicate things, but we continue to keep our resuscitation rates down just to satisfy the people who don’t understand.

CPR is not about the instructors.

CPR is not about the students.

CPR is about the patients.

 

Hands-Only CPR

 

  • 1) Call 911

     

  • 2) Push hard and fast

     
     

  • 3) And use an AED

 

Resuscitation does not need to be more complicated than this.

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[1] Vinnie Jones’ hard and fast Hands-only CPR
Rogue Medic
Wed, 11 Jan 2012
Article

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Would You Know Where to Find an AED If You Need One

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There is a contest in Philadelphia to map locations of all of the AEDs (Automated External Defibrillators) in the county –

 

$10,000 prize.

 

Who can map the most AEDs by March 13, 2012?

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The MyHeartMap Challenge, which will run until Mar. 13, aims to draw awareness to automatic external defibrillators in the Philadelphia county. Through a scavenger hunt open to the public, the contest offers monetary prizes to groups that can locate the most defibrillators — machines that release electric shocks to the heart to restore normal heart rhythms after cardiac arrest.[1]

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“This will be the first AED map in a U.S. city by the public that would be comprehensive for the public,” said Raina Merchant, co-director of MyHeartMap and an Emergency Medicine professor at the Medical School.[1]

The medical school? In Philadelphia? There are Temple, Einstein, Jefferson, Drexel/Hahnemann, PCOM (Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine), and HUP (Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania). As I explain to people, when I am criticizing the almost epidemic lack of understanding of medicine – You can’t swing a Philadelphia lawyer without hitting a medical school, so how do they get away with such ignorance? There is not just one medical school. The people at this medical school may not consider the other medical schools to be real medical schools, but that is nonsense. I searched for Dr. Merchant and found that she is at HUP.

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“I ran up to a 50-year-old gentleman who had collapsed on the street and I assessed him, but he didn’t have a pulse,” he said. “A nurse helped me start CPR while I called for a defibrillator,” he added. But in spite of searching a big restaurant and CVS, they could not find an AED right away.[1]

One clue would be to look in places that have a lot of people working there – large office buildings are some of the best places. Nursing homes should have AEDs, but do not expect them to let you use their AED.

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“Starting at a local level, making the 911 services aware of where AEDs are is a good first step,” Merchant said.[1]

No. In Pennsylvania all ambulances are required to carry an AED or a manual defibrillator. Why would EMS need to know where an AED is? Did I mention that all ambulances must have at least an AED.

Just because EMS shows up does not mean that EMS will be smart enough to actually provide appropriate treatment. With all of the time we spend training on CPR (CardioPulmonary Resuscitation), we should be able to remember to start compressions and to quickly deliver a shock, but my off-duty experiences with cardiac arrest suggest otherwise.

I dealt with some basic EMT, who insisted that delivering a shock on moist ground is deadly. He was wrong then. He is still wrong. We moved the patient to a backboard made of plastic, which should have satisfied the fool, but he appears to have been more interested in demonstrating that He was in charge, than in patient care. Then the patient was moved to the ambulance and He came up with some other excuse for not shocking the patient. It might have been – I’m not doing anything until the medic shows up! Any basic EMT who ever uses this excuse to not treat a patient should be fired on the spot. This clown was not fired. He was in charge.[2]

Another off-duty cardiac arrest was almost as bad. The only difference is that the patient survived and had a good outcome, even though police and EMS did almost everything they could to avoid delivering a shock to the patient. I may tell about that another time.

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I hope that my anecdotal experiences are just a couple of unusually bad cases. I hope that most patients receive better care. At about a year ago, Kelly Grayson and Too Old To Work, Too Young To Retire had a similar call, but they had a much more professional response from EMS in New Jersey.[3]

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[1] Med School scavenger hunt hopes to spread awareness about cardiac arrest
The Daily Pennsylvanian
By David Britto
January 31, 2012, 11:12 pm
Article

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[2] Off Duty CPR in the Middle of the Road
Rogue Medic
Mon, 24 Mar 2008
Article

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[3] Blogger Save!
A Day in the Life of an Ambulance Driver
Mon, 24 Mar 2008
Article

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NIH launches trials to evaluate CPR and drugs after sudden cardiac arrest

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The NIH (National Institutes of Health) announced two new resuscitation studies. This is not the kind of research to find any private sponsorship, but it is important – well, one study is.

The CCC trial will compare survival-to-hospital-discharge rates for two CPR approaches delivered by paramedics and fire fighters. Persons experiencing cardiac arrest will be randomly assigned to receive continuous chest compressions, or standard CPR by emergency responders. Standard CPR, the approach recommended by the American Heart Association (AHA) for use by emergency responders, includes chest compressions with short pauses for assisted breathing. This approach has been called into question by emerging data suggesting that stopping chest compressions to provide assisted breathing interrupts overall blood flow, thereby lowering survival.[1]

The AHA wants to find some evidence to justify their preferred method of combining chest compressions with ventilations.

There is no evidence that ventilations improve survival from adult cardiac arrest of cardiac origin.

There is evidence that any interruption to compressions decreases survival.

The only known interruption that does not decrease survival is defibrillation.

Not for ventilation.

Not for intubation.

Not for any medication.

Not for application of any CPR machine.

Not for transport.

Not for acupuncture.

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Trained emergency personnel will give all participants in the CCC trial three cycles of CPR followed by heart rhythm analysis and, if needed, an electrical shock (defibrillation), applied to the chest. Half will be randomly assigned to receive continuous compressions combined with pause-free rescue breathing and half will receive standard professional CPR.[1]

Why only three cycles?

This suggests that the hypothesis presumes some benefit from ventilations.

Based on what?

Apparently based on tradition and wishful thinking – a deadly combination.

Tradition and wishful thinking have been a deadly combination for thousands of years.

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The Amiodarone, Lidocaine, or neither (Placebo) for Out-Of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest Due to Ventricular Fibrillation or Tachycardia study (ALPS) will determine whether amiodarone or lidocaine improves survival-to-hospital-discharge rates for participants with shock-resistant ventricular fibrillation. Participants will receive one or the other drug or a placebo.[1]

We already know that these drugs do not improve survival from V Fib (Ventricular Fibrillation). The only questions are

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How many resuscitations does lidocaine prevent?

How many resuscitations does amiodarone prevent?

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The CCC trial will enroll up to 23,600 participants at eight major regional locations across the U.S. and Canada.[1]

That number of patients should be enough for clear results.

The ALPS trial will enroll up to 3,000 participants at nine locations across the U.S. and Canada.[1]

That ridiculously small number of patients should allow those who base treatment on tradition and wishful thinking to continue to pretend that their treatments do not make things worse.

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Almost 60 fire and EMS organizations will participate in the ALPS trial, and approximately 125 EMS organizations will participate in the CCC trial.[1]

Maybe the number 3,000 is a misprint. That would be only 50 V Fib (Ventricular Fibrillation) cardiac arrests per EMS organization.

Estimated Enrollment:             3000 [2]

How will that produce statistically significant results, while the CPR study requires 8 times as many patients?

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[1] NIH launches trials to evaluate CPR and drugs after sudden cardiac arrest
Embargoed for Release
Thursday, January 26, 2012
11 a.m. EST Contact:
NHLBI Communications Office
(301) 496-4236
NIH
Press Release

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[2] Amiodarone, Lidocaine or Neither for Out-Of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest Due to Ventricular Fibrillation or Tachycardia (ALPS)
ClinicalTrials.Gov
Last Updated on September 21, 2011
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT01401647
Trial data

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Is the Drug Shortage an Excuse for Incompetence – Part II

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Continuing from Part I.

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A hospital, or ambulance company, should not allow doctors, nurses, or paramedics to give substitute medications without educating them about the medication. Different concentrations. Different dosages. Different side effects. Different drug interactions. Different indications. Different routes of administration. Et cetera. Even for nearly identical drugs.

Likewise, a doctor, nurse, or paramedic should not give any medication without being familiar with the drug – concentrations, dosages, side effects, drug interactions, indications, et cetera.

Gosh, I’ve never given this before. Let’s play with it. It’s not like anything bad could happen.

Do doctors do this?

Do nurses do this?

Do paramedics do this?

Is this the kind of behavior that any hospital wants/accepts from its employees?

Is this the kind of behavior that any ambulance company wants/accepts from its employees?

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“In our mind, that’s just the tip of the iceberg,” Vaida says of the 15 deaths. “No one may be attributing a death because they really aren’t aware that a drug actually caused the death. If someone is notaware of the potency of one medication and gives too much so that the patient goes into respiratory arrest and dies, they may attribute it to the fact that the patient came into the hospital with respiratory problems.”[1]

Ex-Dr. Conrad Murray is going to prison for similar behavior.

How can any administrator claim that Conrad Murray behavior is to be expected from their employees, but not end up being investigated.

If I give a medication and the patient stops breathing, I should still be able to ventilate and oxygenate the patient. The same is true for any first responder, or basic EMT.

 

If the problem is respiratory depression

 

and the result is death,

 

is the problem the drugs,

 

the people giving the drugs,

 

or the oversight of the people giving the drugs?

 

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Why hire people who can tell the difference between one and 100?

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How is a death, under these circumstances, any different from the death of Michael Jackson under similar circumstances?

What are the circumstances of these deaths?

So far, 15 deaths attributed to the drug shortage have occurred nationwide, an Associated Press study found.[1]

One code-blue patient in an undisclosed city died because the preloaded emergency syringe epinephrine wasn’t available.[2]

In cardiac arrest, epinephrine, does NOT save lives.

Epinephrine does help to just get a pulse back, but that is not saving a life. If just getting a pulse back were saving a life, then we would not have large awards to the families of patients who went in to the hospital without impairment, but came out with just a pulse. That would be considered a good outcome.

If the doctors, nurses, and medics do not know what medications they are using, they should not proceed until they do know what they are doing.

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Footnotes:

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[1] Shortage of Lifesaving Drugs Reaches Epic Proportions
Beverly Ford Source: Telegram & Gazette (Worchester, MA)
December 21, 2011
EMS World
Article

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[2] Oklahoma EMS Face Drug Shortage
by Sonya Colberg
The Oklahoman
Monday, October 4, 2010
Article at JEMS.com

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Is the Drug Shortage an Excuse for Incompetence – Part I

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Continuing from Shortage of Lifesaving Drugs Reaches Epic Proportions.

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It’s how to provide the best patientcare while at the same time preventing medical mix-ups when administering drug substitutes, many of which have different potencies than their more commonly used counterparts. Fentanyl, for example, which isused as a substitute for morphine, is 10 times stronger than the opiate. A wrong dose, hospital officials worry, could cause death.[1]

Fentanyl is 100 times as potent per mg (not 10 times), but the packaging is generally single dose packaging. A syringe of fentanyl with 100 mcg is roughly the same strength as a syringe of morphine that contains 10 mg. I would need to get 99 more syringes of fentanyl to give the same dose in milligrams.

In what hospital is this not going to require a trip to the pharmacy? What ambulance company carries 10 mg fentanyl (10,000 mcg fentanyl) on any ambulance?

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Hold on. That isn’t 10 mg fentanyl. We need more –

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We still need more –

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Just a teensy-weensy bit more –

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There is more than a subtle difference between the one syringe and the 100 syringes. If you missed it, go back and look again. Can you tell the difference between 100 syringes and 1 syringe? Are you sure?

Have carpal tunnel symptoms developed from repeatedly pushing the plunger on these syringes? Is each syringe being followed by a flush? If 2 ml fentanyl is followed by a 10 ml flush, that is 1,200 ml for what should have been 1 ml of morphine. The syringes are the same size, although the fentanyl syringes contain 2 ml each and the morphine syringes contain 1 ml each.

There may be other concentrations available, but 50 mcg/ml is the most common concentration of fentanyl. The variation in concentrations is much more common with morphine. The 10 mg/ml concentration is what I carry, which is 10 mg in one 1 ml syringe (as pictured). Everyone should check the concentration at least once before giving any medication.

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To be continued in Part II.
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[1] Shortage of Lifesaving Drugs Reaches Epic Proportions
Beverly Ford Source: Telegram & Gazette (Worchester, MA)
December 21, 2011
EMS World
Article

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Shortage of Lifesaving Drugs Reaches Epic Proportions

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I did not come up with the title – Shortage of Lifesaving Drugs Reaches Epic Proportions – that was the title of the article I am criticizing, but not for any lack of hyperbole.

“It’s a perfect storm of conditions with a rapidly consolidating marketplace, a health care system that is trying to control costs, an issue with raw materials and a marketplace that doesn’t have a good redundancy system in place to handle things when a plant shuts down,” says Allen Vaida, executive vice president of the Institute for Safe Medication Practices. “No question about it. It’s a national crisis.”[1]

In EMS, we are worried about a shortage of drugs, when we should see this as an opportunity to improve patient care.

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Among the drugs Fox found that were in short supply during 2011 were injectable versions of calcium gluconate, used by first responders to regulate heart rhythm in patients suffering cardiac arrest; succinylcholine, a muscle relaxer used to intubate patients; naloxone hydrochloride, which reverses drug overdoses; and propofol, an anestheticused in emergency surgery better known for causing the death of singer Michael Jackson. Most of those medications are older generic injectables that are widely used in emergency situations. Some of those shortages, among them propofol and succinylcholine, have since been resolved but others continually crop up, creating a gap in emergency drug stockpiles.[1]

calcium gluconate, used by first responders to regulate heart rhythm in patients suffering cardiac arrest

It could be, but that does not make sense. ACLS (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) discourages the routine use of calcium, but in true emergencies we should be using calcium chloride, rather than the slow infusion of calcium gluconate.

Routine administration of calcium for treatment of in-hospital and out-of-hospital cardiac arrest is not recommended (Class III, LOE B).[2]

naloxone hydrochloride, which reverses drug overdoses

Naloxone is only indicated for life-threatening respiratory depression due to an opioid overdose. However, a response to naloxone is definitely not diagnostic for an opioid overdose.

Suppose that EMS has no naloxone (Narcan), so what? The essential treatment for opioid overdose, and for benzodiazepine overdose, is just supportive care.

and propofol, an anesthetic used in emergency surgery better known for causing the death of singer Michael Jackson.

Propofol did not cause the death of Michael Jackson. The lack of airway management by Dr. Conrad Murray killed Michael Jackson. Opening his airway, and maybe some painful stimulus, would have kept Michael Jackson alive.

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“Gray market” suppliers, usually small wholesalers or individuals who closely monitor and react to pharmaceutical trends, are scooping up medications as soon as a shortage becomes apparent then selling back the products to drug distributors, other wholesalers or hospitals at inflated prices that can sometimes top more than 1,000 percent of a drug’s original cost.[1]

What is the original cost used for these calculations? Is it the cost to the manufacturer? The list price? The wholesale price to hospitals? The cost per dose to the patient? Why use percentages? Do most people realize that 1,000% as much means ten times as much.

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“We’re not getting any complaints regarding any infringement on care because of the shortages,” she says. “That doesn’t guarantee it isn’t happening, but we usually see that fairly quickly when there seems to be an uptick in problems. What I surmise is that providers are doing what they are supposed to do under the circumstances.”[1]

Is it possible for people to actually do what they are supposed to do?

If we are not doing what we are supposed to be doing, why not?

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“Patient access to innovative treatments is the cornerstone of our industry. That is why the critically important issue of drug shortages demands our collective attention to ensure patients can access themedicines they need in the most expeditious manner possible,” says John Castellani, chief executive officer and president of The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a trade group comprised of pharmaceutical research and biotechnology companies.[1]

 

No.

 

“Patient access to innovative safe and effective treatments is the cornerstone of our industry.

Safe and effective are essential. Innovative is desirable, but not essential.

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Dr. Conrad Murray killed Michael Jackson with incompetence, not with any drug. Is blaming deaths on a drug shortage any different from blaming deaths on a drug?

To be continued in Is the Drug Shortage an Excuse for Incompetence – Part I on 01/06/2012.

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Footnotes:

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[1] Shortage of Lifesaving Drugs Reaches Epic Proportions
Beverly Ford Source: Telegram & Gazette (Worchester, MA)
December 21, 2011
EMS World
Article

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[2] Interventions Not Recommended for Routine Use During Cardiac Arrest
Part 8: Adult Advanced Cardiovascular Life Support
2010 American Heart Association Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care
Part 8.2: Management of Cardiac Arrest
Free Full Text Article with links to Free Full Text PDF download

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The Danger of ROSC – Return Of Spontaneous Circulation

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The difference being…

ROSC tends to be a useful starting point for return of normal life, even if it doesn’t always lead there.

This is a problem. Any evidence of benefit is given much more weight than evidence of harm.

Suppose you are trying to get into a locked room. You own the room, but you do not have your key. You left $50 in the room. You want to go shopping for groceries.

If you do not get into the room (if you do not get ROSC – Re-Open Shut Chamberdoor), you cannot get your money and buy groceries.

If you use the dynamite that is mysteriously outside your door, you can get in the room (ROSC). Remember, that getting in the room (ROSC) is a prerequisite to getting your money.

Do you use the dynamite on the door?

If Dynamite = ROSC, do you give it a go?

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Oh, but this is different!

Is it really different?

We have a problem. We could approach this problem in the least destructive way possible and not use the explosives until we have thoroughly searched for the key.

But we are in a hurry.

Are we providing any real benefit by using epinephrine to blast the heart into action, regardless of the damage epinephrine causes to the brain and heart?

We have no evidence of improved survival with epinephrine, but we do have evidence of worse survival with epinephrine.

Why are we choosing worse survival?

Even if the survival were identical, choosing the more complicated treatment is very bad medicine.

Until there is evidence of a benefit with epinephrine, we should only use epinephrine in randomized, placebo-controlled trials. If there is any benefit from epinephrine, it will probably be small and only in a specially selected group of patients, but we will not know, unless we study it. Maybe epinephrine should only be used after 20 minutes of attempted resuscitation, but if we aren’t improving survival, we are just increasing the hospital costs.

In this post hoc analysis the actual use of adrenaline was associated with increased short-term survival, but with 48% less survival to hospital discharge. This negative association with survival is very similar to the multivariate analysis of observational Swedish registry data where patients receiving adrenaline were 57% less likely to be alive after one month.6 [1]

Highlighting is mine.

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Unless you know of a method of achieving return of normal life without first achieving ROSC? I’d be interested to hear it.

You are looking at this backward.

Where is the evidence of improved survival with epinephrine?

Where is the evidence of even survival that just as good as no epinephrine?

ROSC is not the goal. ROSC is just a surrogate endpoint. ROSC can be curing the disease, but killing the patient.

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If those x amounts of time was going to turn to death anyway, is it not in the patient’s best interests to give it a go?

If Dynamite = ROSC, do you give it a go?

You assume a lot for a drug that shows decreased survival and worse neurological outcomes in those who do survive.

The burden of proof is on those proposing a treatment.

Show that the treatment is safe.

Show that the treatment works better than placebo.

Don’t just show that the treatment is better at a surrogate endpoint (ROSC), but show that the treatment is better at improving meaningful survival.

Everything else is a distraction – a dangerous distraction.

If you are just resuscitating me to a coma, followed by death in the ICU. Don’t do it.

If you are resuscitating me to a life in a nursing home in front of a TV, wearing diapers and unaware of my surroundings. Don’t do it.

Epinephrine kills brains, when it doesn’t kill the whole patient.

Patient care is not about giving it a go.

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In the absence of any studies showing *diminished* return of normal life with adrenaline or other drugs that improve rates of ROSC, I would say that increasing ROSC is giving people the best chance of then taking the next steps along the path to return of normal life (or as I’ve seen it abbreviated – RONF – “return of neurological function”). And thus ethically, at least to my mind, adrenaline is a good idea.

No.

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Nonetheless, I agree with your main point. More research needed, and providers/governments/ethics committees/wherever the hold up is need to have the balls to do some proper adrenaline vs placebo studies!

On that we do agree.

I do not see any reason to assume that epinephrine will improve outcomes.

We are just punishing families with false hopes and huge hospital bills and even the torture of having to care for a family member who does not even recognize them anymore.

If we want to convince people that resuscitation is a bad idea, so they sign DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) orders, epinephrine is one way to do it.

Is epinephrine safer than dynamite?

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Footnotes:

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[1] Outcome when adrenaline (epinephrine) was actually given vs. not given – post hoc analysis of a randomized clinical trial.
Olasveengen TM, Wik L, Sunde K, Steen PA.
Resuscitation. 2011 Nov 22. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 22115931 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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