The only reason we get away with giving such large doses of epinephrine to these patients is that they are already dead.

- Rogue Medic

Do we know that these treatments do not help?

 

In response to The Parachute Study as an Objection to Studying Ventilations in Cardiac Arrest, Can’t say, clowns will eat me writes –
 

But my why not is based upon things that we know do work vs things(drugs/IVs/advanced airways) that we know don’t help.

 

Actually, we do not know if epinephrine is harmful. The lack of evidence of benefit is also a lack of unambiguous evidence of harm.

We just don’t know.

We are practicing alternative medicine.

We are too dumb and/or too arrogant to realize how little we know.

There probably are some patients who do benefit from epinephrine, but I suspect that it would be at lower doses, perhaps much lower doses, and combined with medications to decrease the brain damage that seems to be caused by epinephrine. Nitroprusside, nitroglycerin, adenosine, and others have been used with some success.

Again, we do not know.

We have been too reckless with our patients’ lives to bother to find out. It is all just a big bet with not enough information for anyone to know what is right. And that’s not good.
 


Image credit.
 

So is that really unethical if you get the em PHA sis on the right SYL lable?

 

We have no idea what emphasis is right, or what syllable is right, because we refuse to turn the light on and look at what we are doing.

We are not ethical.

Ethics would require a respect for our patients.

Finding out if a treatment actually works would be something we would insist on – if we actually had any respect for our patients.

If we were ethical, we would tell our patients the truth.

Something like this –
 

We do not know if this treatment leads to improved outcomes, worse outcomes, if there is any benefit, or if there are equal amounts of harm and benefit.

It is reasonable to assume that all treatments cause some harm, but without any good evidence, there is no way we can honestly tell you if this treatment is likely to cause you more harm than benefit.

Some day someone will be able to find out, but that will probably still be years away.

You just are not important enough to get a treatment that works.

 

For how many EMS treatments is this the truth?

Cardiac arrest treatments except compressions and defibrillation, spinal immobilization, . . . .

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Does the Goal of a Pulse Lead to Bad Resuscitation Decisions

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First, this is a paper that was just added to the Articles In Press for Resuscitation with the editing not yet completed. Do not fault the authors for the lack of polish. The paper does address some interesting aspects of resuscitation.

ROSC (Return Of Spontaneous Circulation) is the goal for many people.

ROSC is a red herring.

Those of us who think ROSC is important do not seem to understand how much long-term damage we can do in our attempts to get ROSC, or to get ROSC quickly.

This study helps to point out some of the inconsistencies with our ROSC fetish.

Here is a table of the results from the study comparing early epinephrine (≤10 minutes) with late epinephrine (>10 minutes).
 


Click on images to make them larger.
 

Everything highlighted in blue is favoring early epinephrine and statistically significant.

Overall, things look good for early epinephrine, but VF/VT (Ventricular Fibrillation/Ventricular Tachycardia) is most responsive to resuscitation, yet the results for VF/VT never reach statistical significance. VF/VT may also be most associated with an early response

There is only a trend toward better ROSC for VF/VT, but as with the NINDS study of tPA for ischemic stroke, the healthiest patients are in the intervention group, so they are expected to have better outcomes.
 
With asystole there are survivors with late epinephrine, but no survivors with early epinephrine. What should we make of that? It is far from statistically significant, but there is not even a trend toward more ROSC with early epinephrine.
 

PEA (Pulseless Electrical Activity) has not just a trend toward more ROSC with early epinephrine, the results are statistically significant.

One of the reasons may be that PEA is sometimes due to assessment problems. We used to call it EMD (Electro-Mechanical Dissociation) because many of us assumed that if no pulse could be palpated, there was no cardiac output. These were termed pseudo-EMD, since imaging could show that there is heart motion, even though there is no palpable pulse.

I have had a handful of patients who were awake and alert, but did not have any palpable pulses. Clearly, EMD is not a description of reality.

How many of these patients are responding to being shaken up, rather than to the mechanical effects of chest compressions in the circulation? We do not know.
 

Early Epi may increase blood pressure to allow palpation of a pulse in cases with presumed PEA, but who are actually cases of “pseudo-PEA” which have some cardiac output but not enough to be identified clinically.[1]

 
 

Modified portion of EMS 12 Lead image.
 

Then there are the expected confounders in this kind of study. Faster response times would be expected to result in earlier epinephrine and less deterioration of the rhythm to asystole.
 


 

The faster response times occur in fewer patients, so there should be a much wider confidence interval/standard deviation. That is not the case, because there is an upper limit on the numbers that can be included. The numbers include response time, time to patient contact, time to establish access, and time to epinephrine. All of those have to be less that 11 minutes combined.

Bystander CPR is much more common with early epinephrine. This may be related the higher incidence of arrest in public, but the bystander CPR rate is about twice as high as the rate of arrest in public.
 


 

With early epinephrine we have a decrease from the odds of ROSC to the odds of survival.

With witnessed arrest, bystander CPR, and VF/VT the opposite is true.

With VF/VT the difference is dramatic.

Is this an indication of the effect of epinephrine on survival that we have seen in other studies?
 


 

 

Clearly more work is needed to understand the importance of the timing of epi administration and its impact on outcomes from OHCA.[1]

 
OHCA is Out of Hospital Cardiac Arrest.

Clearly more work is needed to understand the importance of the timing effects of epi administration and its impact on outcomes from OHCA.

Why should we assume that it is the timing and not the drug?

Maybe the problem is using such a drug that is so dangerous to the heart to treat heart problems.

Samuel Hahnemann would love this use of epinephrine, just at a much lower dose.

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Footnotes:

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[1] Rapid Epinephrine Administration Improves Early Outcomes in Out-of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest.
Koscik C, Pinawin A, McGovern H, Allen D, Media D, Ferguson T, Hopkins W, Sawyer K, Boura J, Swor R.
Resuscitation. 2013 Mar 21. doi:pii: S0300-9572(13)00175-5. 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2013.03.023. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 23523823 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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Koscik, C., Pinawin, A., McGovern, H., Allen, D., Media, D., Ferguson, T., Hopkins, W., Sawyer, K., Boura, J., & Swor, R. (2013). Rapid Epinephrine Administration Improves Early Outcomes in Out-of-Hospital Cardiac Arrest Resuscitation DOI: 10.1016/j.resuscitation.2013.03.023

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Is Epinephrine a Rat Poison AND a Human Poison?

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Dr. Minh LeCong has been a proponent of epinephrine in cardiac arrest, but he is now realizing that the evidence in favor of epinephrine is weak, old, and limited to animal studies. In humans, the evidence for epinephrine is based on an unreasonable infatuation with the temporary production of a pulse.
 

I would like to believe that epinephrine/adrenaline is not harmful in cardiac arrest or other critical states. I have given so much of it over the years and on occasion believed it has saved lives. Certainly in anaphylaxis I have not doubt it saves lives. For cardiac arrest, cardiogenic shock, septic shock, what of those states?[1]

 

However, the evidence against epinephrine keeps accumulating.
 

Anesthetized rats received a single intravenous injection of epinephrine (25, 50, or 100 mcg/kg);[2]

 

 

What is the dose of epinephrine in pediatric cardiac arrest?

10 μg/kg (up to 1,000 μg, which is just the 1 mg dose in micrograms [mcg or μg]).

What would be the adult weight equivalent to 25 μg/kg?

40 kg (88 pounds).

This is less than one single dose of epinephrine in cardiac arrest, but we don’t stop at one dose any more than a junkie stops at one dose of heroin. 2 1/2 doses would be the equivalent for pediatric patients. 2 1/2 doses would also be the equivalent for a 100 kg (220 pound) adult.
 

Epinephrine injection in the intact animal caused hypoxemia, hypercapnia, and acidosis at all doses. Arterial oxygen tension was reduced within 1 min of injection. Hyperlactatemia occurred by 10 min after 50 and 100 mcg/kg.[2]

 

The patients we treat are already dead, so some people claim that we cannot make them any worse off, but we can.

Whatever chance they have at resuscitation can be decreased, or eliminated, by using the wrong treatment – anything other than continuous chest compressions and defibrillation. Nothing else has been shown to improve survival.

I know what some people are thinking –

We don’t usually give that much. When we do give that much, it is because the patient needed it. So what?

The problem with that approach is assuming a lack of harm because of a lack of explicit evidence of harm.

The authors did not test less than 25 μg/kg of epinephrine, so this does not provide clear evidence of harm, but it does add more evidence to the ever increasing list of studies showing that epinephrine (all catecholamines) can be very bad for the heart.
 

CONCLUSIONS:: Bolus injection of epinephrine in the intact, anesthetized rat impairs pulmonary oxygen exchange within 1 min of treatment. . . . These results potentially argue against using traditional doses of epinephrine for resuscitation, particularly in the anesthetized patient.[2]

 

Why is this being posted by someone who supported epinephrine use in cardiac arrest? Because Dr. Minh LeCong is using a scientific approach. He is not looking for evidence to support his biases, and we all have biases. He is looking for the truth, which does not care what we want the truth to be. That is the importance of evidence, which no amount of wishful thinking can overcome.
 

This is a turn around to my previous stance and reflects that one must follow the literature and read the patterns of where science and clinical practice are heading for the care of our critical patients.[1]

 

I agree, but I would not limit that to critical patients.

Harmful effects of treatments will be most noticeable with patients who are already critically ill, but can still harmful to healthy people.

For a nice short presentation on the use of catecholamines (epinephrine, dopamine, norepinephrine, dobutamine, et cetera), there is a recording of a presentation by Dr. Mervyn Singer at the 2009 Manchester Critical Care Conference. This is a free download and should be required listening for anyone who uses catecholamines in patient care.[3]

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Footnotes:

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[1] Epinephrine/Adrenaline is RAT POISON
PHARM – PreHospital And Retrieval Medicine
by rfdsdoc
September 22, 2012
Article

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[2] Epinephrine Induces Rapid Deterioration in Pulmonary Oxygen Exchange in Intact, Anesthetized Rats: A Flow and Pulmonary Capillary Pressure-dependent Phenomenon.
Krishnamoorthy V, Hiller DB, Ripper R, Lin B, Vogel SM, Feinstein DL, Oswald S, Rothschild L, Hensel P, Rubinstein I, Minshall R, Weinberg GL.
Anesthesiology. 2012 Oct;117(4):745-754.
PMID: 22902967 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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[3] Catecholamines Should Be Banned
Mervyn Singer
2009-04-24-1545
6th Annual Critical Care Symposium
Manchester, UK
Page with link to free mp3 download from Free Emergency Medicine Talks

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Krishnamoorthy V, Hiller DB, Ripper R, Lin B, Vogel SM, Feinstein DL, Oswald S, Rothschild L, Hensel P, Rubinstein I, Minshall R, & Weinberg GL (2012). Epinephrine Induces Rapid Deterioration in Pulmonary Oxygen Exchange in Intact, Anesthetized Rats: A Flow and Pulmonary Capillary Pressure-dependent Phenomenon. Anesthesiology, 117 (4), 745-754 PMID: 22902967

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Wide variability in drug use in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A report from the resuscitation outcomes consortium – Part II

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Only low dose epinephrine was shown to improve ROSC (Return Of Spontaneous Circulation) in this study, but even low dose epinephrine dramatically decreased survival. I looked at that in Part I. Here I look at some of what the authors have to say about this in the discussion.

What seems most surprising is how bad the results were for epinephrine.
 

There was an inverse association between epinephrine dose and survival to discharge (Fig. 3). This relationship persisted after adjusting for age, gender, EMS witnessed arrest, bystander witnessed arrest, bystander CPR, shockable initial rhythm, time from 911 to EMS arrival, the duration of OHCA and study site.[1]

 

There appears to be only one thing that is relevant that was not controlled for – quality of CPR. The much worse quality of the Accentuate the ALS pre-2005 guidelines vs. the newer emphasis on compressions.

Here is a graph that shows the trend a bit differently from the graphs I included in Part I. Patients who received even 1 mg epinephrine had significantly worse survival to discharge.
 

 

All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous. – Paracelsus.

Everything, no matter how natural, is poisonous.

Epinephrine naturally occurs in the body, but that does not make it safe to add more? Potassium occurs naturally in the body and potassium is used to execute people. Are we doing the same with some doses of epinephrine?

The graph seems to make it clear that the more epinephrine we give, the worse the outcomes. If any of us are still in favor of using epinephrine routinely in cardiac arrest, why aren’t we studying lower doses to see if we can find some dose that is less poisonous?
 

Despite the publication of guidelines designed to help standardize the management of OHCA there is substantial variability in the administration of drugs.[1]

The people who keep claiming that epinephrine (and other standards of care) should not be studied would be disappointed to find out that there is not universal use of their standards.

Is there any evidence that the EMS organizations that do not use these standards of care are sued at a higher rate than the EMS organizations that slavishly require that every ALS suggestion from the ACLS (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) guidelines be considered a standard of care?
 

The overall lack of evidence in favour of any pharmacological agent administered during CPR may result in different interpretations of the guidelines.[1]

Yes, these are guidelines and they are open to interpretation.

This is not shocking. What is shocking is that so many people do not understand that medical treatment is not about blindly following ancient ideas at the expense of our patients.
 

The early benefits of many of these drugs may be offset by later detrimental effects following resuscitation.[1]

I would word that differently.

The early appearance of benefits of many of these drugs may be offset by later detrimental effects following resuscitation.

ROSC is a surrogate endpoint and therefore only useful until larger studies can be done to find out if there is any benefit from the drug and whether that benefit may lead to improved outcomes.

A change in vital signs is not an improved outcome.
 

Relatively small benefits of drugs, especially among the minority of patients with VT/VF, may require very large sample sizes to be demonstrated.2 [1]

Yet we keep being told that it is unethical to study these treatments that have never been subjected to even the same requirements as thalidomide.
 

In addition, there are no Class I indications for any pharmacological agents during ALS which likely results in a substantial variability in the incorporation of guidelines into agency protocols.[1]

What class is epinephrine in cardiac arrest?
 

Class I
Benefit >>> Risk
Procedure/treatment or diagnostic test/assessment should be performed/administered.
 

Not Class I.
 

Class IIa
Benefit >> Risk
It is reasonable to perform procedure/administer treatment or perform diagnostic test/ assessment.
 

Not even Class IIa.
 

Class IIb
Benefit Risk
Procedure/treatment or diagnostic test/assessment may be considered.
 

There it is epinephrine is just above Class III – the category for things we should not do.
 

Class III
Risk Benefit
Procedure/treatment or diagnostic test/assessment should not be performed/administered. It is not helpful and may be harmful.
 

Ideally all CPR and ECC recommendations should be based on large prospective randomized controlled clinical trials that find substantial treatment effects on long-term survival and carry a Class I or Class IIa label.[2]

Epinephrine is not even Class IIa.

Perhaps Class IIb should be represented this way –

Wishful Thinking >>> Evidence
 

Drug Therapy in VF/Pulseless VT
When VF/pulseless VT persists after at least 1 shock and a 2-minute CPR period, a vasopressor can be given with the primary goal of increasing myocardial blood flow during CPR and achieving ROSC (see “Medications for Arrest Rhythms” below for dosing) (Class IIb, LOE A).
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LOE A?

LOE is Level Of Evidence. A is the highest ranking of evidence.

That means that the AHA (American Heart Association) is confident that they have excellent evidence, but that the evidence is not enough to give anything more than their weakest recommendation for use.

This Class IIb recommendation remains unaffected, even though the studies published continue to be neutral or negative.

When do we admit that we have been fooling ourselves?

Why does this long shot remain the routine treatment in most places?

Looking at the graph of the different doses of epinephrine, maybe we should be interpreting the results as 3 mg = time to terminate resuscitation.

Epinephrine.

Cause of death, or just an indicator?

Either way, epinephrine not supported by evidence.
 

Expert recommendations must come with an expiration date.

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Footnotes:

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[1] Wide variability in drug use in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A report from the resuscitation outcomes consortium.
Glover BM, Brown SP, Morrison L, Davis D, Kudenchuk PJ, Van Ottingham L, Vaillancourt C, Cheskes S, Atkins DL, Dorian P; the Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium Investigators.
Resuscitation. 2012 Jul 31. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 22858552 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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[2] Guidelines and Treatment Recommendations
2005 American Heart Association Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care
Part 1: Introduction
Free Full Text

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[3] Drug Therapy in VF/Pulseless VT
2010 American Heart Association Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care
Part 8: Adult Advanced Cardiovascular Life Support
Part 8.2: Management of Cardiac Arrest
Free Full Text from Circulation

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Glover BM, Brown SP, Morrison L, Davis D, Kudenchuk PJ, Van Ottingham L, Vaillancourt C, Cheskes S, Atkins DL, Dorian P, & the Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium Investigators (2012). Wide variability in drug use in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A report from the resuscitation outcomes consortium. Resuscitation PMID: 22858552

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Wide variability in drug use in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A report from the resuscitation outcomes consortium – Part I

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Here is some more research looking at the use of medications in cardiac arrest. In this part, I will look at the outcomes for patients treated with epinephrine. In Part II I will look at the authors’ discussion of their results.

Maybe this time epinephrine will produce a good outcome.

Despite the publication and widespread application of international Advanced Cardiac Life Support (ALS) guidelines2 survival rates remain extremely low. The aim of the ALS guidelines is to help standardize the provision of basic and advanced level care based on the available evidence and expert opinion.[1]

The lack of evidence of improved outcomes has resulted in an excessive dependence on anything that some experts agree might be helpful, or just meets some surrogate endpoint. We need evidence of improved outcomes, not evidence of temporarily improved vital signs. Surrogate endpoints are notorious for consistently failing to predict improved outcomes, so we should not base guidelines on surrogate endpoints.

There has even been opposition to obtaining evidence about the effects of these standards of mediocrity.[2]

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The 2010 guidelines have removed atropine from the current treatment guidelines for OHCA and the accompanying 2010 Consensus on Science document suggested that placebo trials are needed to evaluate antiarrhythmic and vasopressor use in OHCA.5 [1]

Atropine was removed, because of a lack of evidence of benefit, but the other drugs remain.

The aim of this study was to describe the variability of drug administration for OHCA between EMS agencies across North America in a large multicentre registry of cardiac arrests and examine whether there was an association between administration of individual drugs and the presence of a pulse at emergency department (ED) admission as well as survival to hospital discharge.[1]

This study has a lot of variables and is not definitive, but if there is some actual benefit from the the wonder drug, epinephrine, this study should show some benefit. The ROC (Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium) registry had relevant data for 16,221 cardiac arrest patients treated from December 2005 to June 2007. Many, maybe even most, of these patients may not have been treated according to the 2005 ACLS (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) guidelines due to the delays some agencies had in implementing the new guidelines.

Epinephrine, amiodarone, lidocaine, vasopressin, atropine, and sodium bicarbonate were examined, but the doses were only documented for epinephrine in the registry. Documenting the use of vasopressin was not part of the registry requirements, so patients might have received a pressor, yet not had any documentation of pressor use if they received vasopressin, rather than epinephrine.

In the multivariable logistic regression model, dose of epinephrine was grouped into none, low (1–2 mg), moderate (3–5 mg), and high (>5 mg).[1]

Finding out the different results at various doses is a good idea.

Is more better?

If epinephrine is harmful, more epinephrine could show progressively increasing harm.
 


 

Amiodarone, lidocaine, and epinephrine all look as if they may be beneficial.

Epinephrine was administered in approximately 80% of ALS treated cardiac arrests (range 57–98% among agencies). All agencies used epinephrine in some cardiac arrests. The mean dose administered was 3.5 mg (±2.0 mg). Epinephrine dose varied widely across agencies, with a range in the mean epinephrine dose of 1.9–5.5 mg (p < 0.001). There was an inverse association between epinephrine dose and survival to discharge (Fig. 3). This relationship persisted after adjusting for age, gender, EMS witnessed arrest, bystander witnessed arrest, bystander CPR, shockable initial rhythm, time from 911 to EMS arrival, the duration of OHCA and study site.[1]

 

Low dose epinephrine did improve ROSC, but how import is ROSC (Return Of Spontaneous Circulation)?
 

 

Lidocaine and amiodarone, while not producing statistically significant results, don’t look that much worse for survival than they were for ROSC.

But epinephrine, even at low doses, looks like a good way to guarantee death.

ROSC would be important if there were a positive relationship with regaining pulses, but there isn’t.

Patients who do not have ROSC are not going to be resuscitated, but that does not mean that any means of obtaining ROSC will improve survival.

This is just more evidence that -

epinephrine increases ROSC, but decreases survival.

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Continued in Part II.

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Footnotes:

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[1] Wide variability in drug use in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A report from the resuscitation outcomes consortium.
Glover BM, Brown SP, Morrison L, Davis D, Kudenchuk PJ, Van Ottingham L, Vaillancourt C, Cheskes S, Atkins DL, Dorian P; the Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium Investigators.
Resuscitation. 2012 Jul 31. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 22858552 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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[2] Effect of adrenaline on survival in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A randomised double-blind placebo-controlled trial
Jacobs IG, Finn JC, Jelinek GA, Oxer HF, Thompson PL.
Resuscitation. 2011 Sep;82(9):1138-43. Epub 2011 Jul 2.
PMID: 21745533 [PubMed - in process]

Free Full Text PDF Download of In Press Uncorrected Proof from xa.yming.com

This study was designed as a multicentre trial involving five ambulance services in Australia and New Zealand and was accordingly powered to detect clinically important treatment effects. Despite having obtained approvals for the study from Institutional Ethics Committees, Crown Law and Guardianship Boards, the concerns of being involved in a trial in which the unproven “standard of care” was being withheld prevented four of the five ambulance services from participating.

In addition adverse press reports questioning the ethics of conducting this trial, which subsequently led to the involvement of politicians, further heightened these concerns. Despite the clearly demonstrated existence of clinical equipoise for adrenaline in cardiac arrest it remained impossible to change the decision not to participate.

This is just one of many examples.

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Delayed prehospital implementation of the 2005 American Heart Association guidelines for cardiopulmonary resuscitation and emergency cardiac care.
Bigham BL, Koprowicz K, Aufderheide TP, Davis DP, Donn S, Powell J, Suffoletto B, Nafziger S, Stouffer J, Idris A, Morrison LJ; ROC Investigators.
Prehosp Emerg Care. 2010 Jul-Sep;14(3):355-60.
PMID: 20388032 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Free Full Text from PubMed Central.

On December 13, 2005, the AHA published “Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care”

ROC EMS agencies required an average of 416 days to implement the 2005 AHA guidelines for OHCA. Small EMS agencies, BLS-only agencies, and nontransport agencies took longer than large agencies, agencies providing ALS care, and transport agencies, respectively, to implement the guidelines.

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Glover BM, Brown SP, Morrison L, Davis D, Kudenchuk PJ, Van Ottingham L, Vaillancourt C, Cheskes S, Atkins DL, Dorian P, & the Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium Investigators (2012). Wide variability in drug use in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A report from the resuscitation outcomes consortium. Resuscitation PMID: 22858552

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Bigham BL, Koprowicz K, Aufderheide TP, Davis DP, Donn S, Powell J, Suffoletto B, Nafziger S, Stouffer J, Idris A, Morrison LJ, & ROC Investigators (2010). Delayed prehospital implementation of the 2005 American Heart Association guidelines for cardiopulmonary resuscitation and emergency cardiac care. Prehospital emergency care : official journal of the National Association of EMS Physicians and the National Association of State EMS Directors, 14 (3), 355-60 PMID: 20388032

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Jacobs IG, Finn JC, Jelinek GA, Oxer HF, & Thompson PL (2011). Effect of adrenaline on survival in out-of-hospital cardiac arrest: A randomised double-blind placebo-controlled trial. Resuscitation, 82 (9), 1138-43 PMID: 21745533

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Conspiracy Theory Week – Truthers, Anecdotalists, and Creationists, Oh My!

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Conspiracy theorists come in many flavors of self-deception, but they aren’t really that different from the typical true believer in anything else.

I have been writing about myths that we continue to use as standards of care, in spite of a lack of evidence. These are based on the same belief that are behind the myths being pushed by the 9/11 truthers.

The simplest argument against the truthers is that they blame the Bush administration. The same Bush administration that went to war with Iraq, but did not plant any weapons of mass destruction. Are we supposed to believe that thousands of people would murder thousands of Americans based on where they were when the planes hit, but we could not get a much smaller number of people to frame Saddam Hussein – a guy who is easy to hate.

Not just that, but the conspiracy is supposed to have been carried out in the first year of the first term of President Bush, while the absence of a conspiracy of weapons of mass destruction took place years later, after they had much more time to plan.
 

I know it because of Screwy Idea X.
 

Screwy Idea X may be true, may be partially true, may be completely false, or may be completely unrelated.
 

You have to prove that Screwy Idea X is false.
 

If Screwy Idea X is false, will it be easy to prove it is false? If it is not easy to prove that Screwy Idea X is false, does that mean that anecdote X is true?
 


Image credit.
 

The burden of proof should not be on the person who says, Screwy Idea X is ridiculous.
 

If you can’t prove that Screwy Idea X is false, that proves that Screwy Idea X is true.
 

Conspiracy theorists and denialists work on the same principle. There is never enough evidence to prove their idea is wrong.

As long as they can claim that there is a tiny possibility that they are right, that is their proof that they are right.

As long as they can claim that there is a tiny possibility that others are wrong, that is their proof that others are wrong.

Vaccines have saved millions of lives and are probably the safest medications we have, but what if your child has an extremely rare adverse reaction? No, autism is not caused by vaccines.

Alternative medicine is better than real medicine, because of _______. There are many problems with real medicine. I write about the problems – I don’t ignore the problems. Alternative medicine pushers ignore their problems and only criticize the problems of real medicine. Alternative medicine is pretending that an unknown treatment has been kept hidden by a conspiracy of Big Pharma and it really works. Except that the evidence consistently shows that alternative medicine does not perform any better than placebo. Alternative medicine is big business and the business is fraud.

We need to get rid of the prescription and over-the-counter medicines that don’t work. We do not need to add more medicines that don’t work.

Creationism is real and evolution is a lie because of conspiracy X. Even though plenty of religions do not see any conflict between their holy books and evolution. Individual preachers will claim that a literal interpretation is essential, but only when it supports what they preach. If the religious do not agree that 6 Day Creationism is real, and there is no evidence that 6 Day Creationism is real, then why should anyone believe that 6 Day Creationism is science?

We accept the crackpot idea because the true believer is charismatic.

Charisma can cover up a lot of flaws, even flaws as ridiculous as what I have already covered.
 

In medicine, we have our own true believers.

 

I know it because of Screwy Idea X.
 

Bleeding to get rid of bad humors.

Oxygen for myocradial infarction.

Antiarrhythmics for myocardial infarction.

Spinal immobilization for mechanism of injury.

Tourniquets mean amputations.

Ventilation for cardiac arrest.

Rotating tourniquets for CHF (because people with heart failure don’t mind a little amputation).

Furosemide (frusemide, brand name Lasix) moves fluid from the lungs to the kidneys.

Furosemide causes vasodilation.

If we give pain medicine, the patient will stop breathing.

Even though epinephrine causes heart failure, it is the best solution to a heart that has stopped.

Not just epinephrine for cardiac arrest – vasopressin, norepinephrine, phenylephrine, amiodarone, lidocaine, and magnesium.
 

The foundation of successful ACLS is high-quality CPR, and, for VF/pulseless VT, attempted defibrillation within minutes of collapse. For victims of witnessed VF arrest, early CPR and rapid defibrillation can significantly increase the chance for survival to hospital discharge.128,–,133 In comparison, other ACLS therapies such as some medications and advanced airways, although associated with an increased rate of ROSC, have not been shown to increase the rate of survival to hospital discharge.31,33,134,–,138 [1]

 

Maybe the 2015 ACLS Guidelines will be truly evidence-based and will NOT include any medications.
 

You have to prove that Screwy Idea X is false.

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Some of the treatments mentioned above have been eliminated, but there are many that continue to be used –

Sunday, I wrote about a doctor claiming that there is a screwy compelling idea that demonstrates that oxygen is good, regardless of the lack of evidence. He also claims that since there is not perfect proof that oxygen is harmful, that is PROOF that oxygen is good.
 

If it helps just one patient, that justifies killing other patients.
 

Monday, I wrote about a doctor claiming that there is a screwy compelling idea that demonstrates that spinal immobilization is good, regardless of the lack of evidence. He also claims that since there is not perfect proof that spinal immobilization is harmful, that is PROOF that spinal immobilization is good.
 

If it helps just one patient, that justifies disabling other patients.
 

Tuesday, I wrote about a bunch of doctors (the AHA – American Heart Association – and others) claiming that there is a screwy compelling idea that demonstrates that ventilation is good, regardless of the lack of evidence. They also claim that since there is not perfect proof that ventilation is harmful, that is PROOF that ventilation is good.
 

If it helps just one patient, that justifies preventing the resuscitation of other patients.
 

I didn’t write anything on Wednesday. I was working on something long for Thursday (even the title was long).

Thursday, I wrote about a bunch of doctors (including the AHA) claiming that there is a screwy compelling idea that demonstrates that tPA is good, regardless of the lack of quality of the evidence. They also claim that since there is not perfect proof that tPA is harmful, that is PROOF that tPA is good hours and hours later.
 

If it helps just one patient, that justifies causing bleeding in the brains of other patients.
 

Friday, I wrote about the way the standard of care is perceived. All of these people I mentioned are claiming that their pet treatments, about which they are very biased, should not be affected by any negative evidence and why the evidence in favor of their pet therapy is all that we should pay attention to.

Ignore the flaws of the positive research – assuming there is any positive research. Belief.

Only pay attention to the flaws of the negative research. Willful ignorance.

This is not the way to do what is best for our patients.
 

If it helps just one patient, that justifies all of the harm to the other patients.
 

Am I exaggerating?

No, I am just simplifying the excuses for the lack of evidence to support their belief.

If you can’t prove that Screwy Idea X is false, that proves that Screwy Idea X is true.

No.

This is just an example of a logical fallacy.

The argument from ignorance.[2]

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Footnotes:

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[1] Overview
2010 American Heart Association Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care
Part 8: Adult Advanced Cardiovascular Life Support
Part 8.2: Management of Cardiac Arrest
Free Full Text from Circulation

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[2] Argument from ignorance
Wikipedia
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Does epinephrine circulate without CPR?

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A scenario recently presented to me as evidence that epinephrine saves lives.

The patient is presenting with agonal respirations in a very hot room, so ventilations are assisted, the monitor is hooked up, and an IV is started. The rhythm changes to asystole and is confirmed in some other leads. I do not remember what he said the original rhythm was, but it would not change things.

Due to the extreme heat and confined space where the patient is found, he is quickly carried outside where there is more room and less heat. Epinephrine was pushed prior to moving the patient. I did not ask the dose, but asystole suggests that it was 1 mg IV push. No CPR is performed during this time. When the patient is placed on the ground outside, he has a pulse.

This is supposed to be evidence that epinephrine caused this resuscitation.

If there is no circulation, how does the epinephrine get to where it needs to be?

Is the patient circulating the epinephrine by being shaken, or did the shaking stimulate the patient out of asystole?


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As with the toilet plunger CPR method, do we need to study the shake and bake method of treating asystole? Or is it bake and shake, in this case?

If this is asystole, is there any circulation, without chest compressions?

There were never any chest compressions.

Was it wrong to move the patient first? I don’t think so. They checked the rhythm. I do not have any reason to believe that they would not have shocked a shockable rhythm before moving the patient.

Working a code in a confined space in extreme heat is a bad idea. When I have had codes in bathrooms, the first thing I have done is to move the patient to a place where it is reasonable to work a code. This does not appear to be different.

Are the heat and the confined space the cause of the code? We don’t know, but they probably are not helping. Starting treatment of a living patient, and finding out the rhythm, are reasonable. Some of us would not even start treatment under these conditions and move the patient first. Some would do as these medics did. The only wrong thing to do would be to do ineffective CPR in extreme heat and with inadequate room for more than a couple of minutes. Is there one right way to treat this patient? No.

Obviously, the best way to handle this is to call medical command for a decision, rather than to just violate protocol.

Does any one have a protocol that allows for moving an asystolic patient in a confined area? I don’t, so this is a blatant protocol violation.
 

Medic (being considerate to the protocol and not wanting to deviate from protocol without permission) – We can’t perform good CPR . . . . What should we do?

Medical command – Why are you asking me? I am not there and I only do CPR under ideal circumstances, so what do you expect from me?
 

Some medical command doctors (more as more emergency medicine programs require EMS time as a part of residency) will have experience with prehospital CPR, but this is clearly not a decision that gets better by delaying for a Mother May I? phone call.

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How would things have been different with different treatment?

What if CPR were attempted, but performed poorly, due to limited space?

The same? Better? Worse?

We do not know.

What if they attempted to move the patient with CPR in progress in confined space and possibly having a candidate for America’s Funniest CPR Videos?

The same? Better? Worse?

We do not know.

What if no epinephrine were given?

The same? Better? Worse?

We do not know.

What if there had been some circulation/attempt at circulation of the epinephrine prior to movement?

The same? Better? Worse?

We do not know.

What if medical command had been contacted?

The same? Better? Worse?

We do not know.

What do you think?

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Ignore the Absence of Evidence – Defend the Status Quo?

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Does epinephrine improve outcomes from cardiac arrest?

If an improved outcome is a pulse at the time of transfer and a huge hospital bill for the family, with the possibility of continuing huge bills to care for the minimally conscious nursing home patient until sepsis ends the punishment – then yes, epinephrine improves outcomes.

If an improved outcome is leaving the hospital with a pulse and a brain that works as well as it did before the arrest – then no, epinephrine does not improve outcomes.

Obtaining ethics board approval for a trial of such a standard medication as epinephrine will be challenging.[1]

This is why we should never make a treatment a standard of care until after there is good evidence that it improves outcomes that matter. Too many people will claim that it is unethical to find out how dangerous the treatment is. We don’t want to know that we have been killing patients.

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Looking at the most recent study looking at epinephrine and lack of survival from cardiac arrest, he concludes -

The bottom line is we should remind ourselves that all interventions come with unintended consequences. We need to continue with practicing the status quo, but we also need to be careful with epinephrine and get more involved in research.[1]

We just need to clap for Tinkerbell?
 


 

Does evidence of improved survival support the status quo?

No.

We need to continue with practicing the status quo,

Why?

Bleeding patients to remove humors used to be the status quo.

Did we kill thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions of patients?

How many patients died to protect the status quo egos of the barbers?

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Was there any evidence of improved survival?

No.

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Did barbers base treatment on experience?

Yes.

Experience clearly supported bleeding patients.

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Did barbers base treatment on logical conclusions, based on their experience?

Yes.

Our memories of our experiences allow us to deceive ourselves by remembering what supports our biases, while we conveniently ignore what does not support our biases.

Relying on evidence, that has been collected in a way to minimize the interference of bias, is what will help us to recognize our errors long before experience has a clue.

Or we can continue to celebrate our ability to ignore reality, while we make Sweeney Todd’s body count look tiny.

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Footnotes:

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[1] Research Study Examines Epinephrine’s Effects on Cardiac Arrest – Epinephrine has been the mainstay of cardiac arrest, but is it effective?
JEMS
David Page, MS, NREMT-P
Wednesday, June 13, 2012
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