The only reason we get away with giving such large doses of epinephrine to these patients is that they are already dead.

- Rogue Medic

Charting Averages, But Now Averages of Medics

What if the numbers in the chart in my last post did not represent income?

What if these numbers represented the grade that an independent medical director – one who truly understands what high quality EMS is – gave to each of the medics in an organization?

Using the same chart, but switching from 50 (for $50,000 income) to 50% (for a quality score), assuming that 60% (or even 65%) is the minimum passing score, what would this say about the medics in this organization?

What happens to the quality of care delivered by this organization, if the one excellent medic leaves?

Why do these organizations seem to force out the excellent medics?

What do the other medics will say to this medic, if they recognize that the excellent medic is excellent?

You’re making the rest of us look bad!

Is that true?

Of course not.

The bad medics really are bad.

The excellent medic is making the bad organization look better.

The bad organization deserves to look bad.

The person who makes others aware of how bad things are is not responsible for the problems. The excellent medic did not create the bad organization. The bad organization is not likely to get better on its own.

Bad organizations deserve to have their bad behavior exposed. Even good organizations deserve to have their bad behavior exposed.

However, peer pressure may get to the excellent medic. Maybe the medic will start to give in to pressure to limit treatment to just load and go, rather than to initiate treatment on scene. These medics may not be good, but they may minimize the time they spend harming patients if they focus on speed. Or that may be what they hope to convince others to think about them.

If all you get is a taxi, why not call a taxi and pay taxi rates for taxi service?

If EMS is just a taxi ride, why have any paramedics?

If paramedics do not treat patients and would not know what to treat, are they really paramedics?

911, what’s your emergency?

I need a taxi staffed with paramedic-impostors!

Possible teaser from a new EMS drama coming to a TV near you.

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Irresponsible EMS 1

At 510 Medic, there is a post called Lack of Accountability.

Read it.

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Here is what I think about the topic.

It is a sad thing that so many people in positions of responsibility are so interested in avoiding responsibility.

If we had to choose, would we choose to be treated by a doctor, nurse, EMT, et cetera, who avoids responsibility?

Let me rephrase that.

Would we choose to be treated by someone who is irresponsible?

Would we get in a plane flown by a pilot, who is irresponsible?

ir·re·spon·si·ble (r-spns-bl)
adj.
1. Marked by a lack of responsibility: irresponsible accusations.
2. Lacking a sense of responsibility; unreliable or untrustworthy.
3. Law Not mentally or financially fit to assume responsibility.
4. Not liable to be called to account by a higher authority.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irresponsible

Definition 4. is important.

4. Not liable to be called to account by a higher authority.

Isn’t that exactly the goal of our training in EMS – at least the way some teach it?

If we just follow the protocol, we can’t get in trouble.

If we get permission from medical command, we can’t get in trouble.

If we just follow orders, we can’t get in trouble.

Why do we let anyone get away with telling these lies?

A question we often hear is –

Who is going to take responsibility for this?

The EMS response seems to be –

I’m not doing anything unless somebody else takes responsibility for what I do.

EMS agencies not only tolerate this – EMS agencies encourage this irresponsible behavior.
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A Bit More on the Life Expectancy Chart

Last week, I wrote about the CDC’s latest MMWR (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report), which includes a graph of the change in life expectancy from 1970 to 2007. It is broken down by race (black/white) and gender. It shows a continuing increase in life expectancy.

What it also shows is something that confuses a lot of people. Look at the solid blue line – the average life expectancy.

Is the life expectancy of most people better than average (not necessarily a Lake Wobegon effect), average, or worse than average?


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5651a7.htm

The solid line is the average life expectancy. Most of the lines are below that average.

Let me create a different chart to show the same idea. With financial information, since people seem to be much more concerned with their relative wealth than with most other comparisons. Assume that the numbers 1 to 5 on the chart below are different people. The other numbers (50 and 100) represent the annual income in thousands of dollars of these people – that is 50 = $50,000. We have 5 people with a total of $300,000 annual income. 300/5 = 60 (or $300,000/5 = $60,000). The red horizontal line at 60 in the middle of the chart is at the average (mean average) for these 5 people. These incomes are not unusually high, or low.

Why do so many of us believe that most people in a group cannot be above/below average?

It is not unusual to hear the word impossible used when someone presents data that show that most people can be below/above average.

Is this impossible?

Is this even uncommon?

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Continuing the Discussion on A Letter To Mom

I am getting lost in the comments at Medic Trommashere’s post in response to Criticizing A Letter To Mom?

Medic Trommashere wrote Response to: “Criticizing a Letter to Mom?”

If that patient had received continuous compressions, rather than AHA/ARC CPR (what your protocols contain), maybe that patient would have been resuscitated on scene.

That patient received almost a full 10 minutes of compressions prior to EMS arrival by properly trained First Responders. He was in V-Fib on arrival. Yes, the stent was placed after the event.

Compressions, but not continuous compressions – Right?

There is a difference. I provided a bunch of abstracts that should make that clear.

Or were you (and the first responders) using the ventilation-free continuous chest compressions that Dr. Ewy and Dr. Kellum have been studying?

Obviously I wouldn’t give Epi to a patient who was awake and alert in the middle of having a STEMI.

Why does being dead change the effect of epinephrine on the heart?

Why does our ability to palpate a pulse determine the treatment delivered to the patient?

Why does our ability to palpate a pulse determine if epinephrine is indicated or if epinephrine is contraindicated?

Indicated/Contraindicated is not a subtle distinction, although the presence of a palpable pulse may be a very subtle distinction.

You can provide good compressions in a moving ambulance if the driver isn’t driving like he’s qualifying for a NASCAR race. I’ve had the pleasure of having decent drivers that even when red-balling, don’t throw those in back around.

Call me skeptical.

Also, what about moving the patient to the ambulance?

Driving, carrying, et cetera, – all change the way the compressions are delivered.

These are even used as pathetic excuses to interrupt compressions.

These interruptions are considered acceptable as long as these interruptions are brief.

Where is the evidence that transporting patients leads to better outcomes?

There is evidence that continuous uninterrupted compressions do improve outcomes.

Transport?

Where is there any evidence of improved outcomes due to transport?

Except in the rarest of cases, we should only be transporting patients who have pulses.

Evidence, to god-damned hell with evidence! We have no evidence. In fact, we don't need evidence. I don't have to show you any stinking evidence.


While I often like to cite Captain Renault, when I round up the usual quotes, Stinking badges just feels right, here.

Yes, I honestly believe that, if we would’ve stopped all treatment on scene that it would’ve meant almost certain death.

Based on what?

If he wouldn’t have been officially dead from stopping treatment, the litigation that would most surely follow once the patient awoke in the back of the morgue van or in the coroners’ freezers, or even on the autopsy table would be outrageous,

Do you sprint from the scene as soon as you pronounce someone dead?

Would you not recognize any sign of life from this patient, but the coroner would?

and I’m sure that I couldn’t use the, “Oh, some research says that the patient has a better outcome if we don’t give cardiotoxins (using your words) like Epinephrine…” Yeah, you can write off another medic.

If/When ACLS (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) changes to eliminate epinephrine, will you continue to give epinephrine because you just know it works?

Or do you think that there will eventually be some research to show that this treatment leads to better outcomes. It is possible, but no study has yet been large enough to show a statistically significant difference in outcomes.

To translate that – Epinephrine is so ineffective that we need tremendously large studies to find any statistically significant difference between epinephrine and nothing.

Nothing says ineffective like the need for a ridiculously large study.

I’m glad that you’ve had patients produce pulses after being pronounced dead, but I’m not willing to risk my numbers on the hold everything, throwing drugs at them may hurt them more idea until I have more, readily accepted research.

I am not saying anyone should violate protocol for dead people, but that we should be encouraging doctors – you know the ones who write the ACLS guidelines to act as if they understand the risks and benefits demonstrated by the complete lack of evidence of improvement in survival to discharge with epinephrine.

The ACLS guidelines are still just guidelines – not standards of care.

Doubt me?

Ask the people at AHA – the ones who write the guidelines.

Go ahead.

I am not saying to violate protocol for dead people, but that we should be encouraging doctors – you know the ones who write the EMS protocols to act as if they understand the risks and benefits demonstrated by the complete lack of evidence of improvement in survival to discharge with epinephrine.

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Dr. Ewy changed his protocols.

Where are the lawyers suing Dr. Ewy for the improved outcomes?

Dr. Kellum changed his protocols.

Where are the lawyers suing Dr. Kellum for the improved outcomes?

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Merit Badge Courses, Amiodarone, and tPA

At EP Monthly, there is an interesting article – Merit Badge Courses: Who Benefits?

This is the second part from me. First was the quality of the merit badge courses. This is the honesty of the evidence presented. I am not claiming that what the AHA (American Heart Association) does is dishonest.

I am claiming that the AHA does not do enough to demonstrate that they are objective.

Oh, but look at all of the conflict of interest documentation!

Very nice paperwork – paperwork that makes a bureaucrat wet at night, but that does nothing for the patients – at least nothing good.

Is this chain of survival broken?

Jan Shoenberger, MD writes –

The huge stroke chapter seems to cater to emergent tPA-based treatment of acute stroke despite the fact that scientific controversy continues regarding this issue. Lawsuits have been mounted against EPs both for giving tPA and for failing to give tPA. In 2009, the AHA accepted over $17 million from pharmaceutical companies and device manufacturers. This does little to reassure EPs that the standards are purely evidence based.

Since I write mainly for EMS, I am going to leave tPA alone, at least for now. However, . . .

Consider amiodarone.

Now amiodarone is off patent, but amiodarone was made the first line drug for everything arrhythmic when it was still an expensive drug only available from Wyeth. $1/mg and 300 mg/dose with 2 doses not being uncommon. Hundreds of thousands of cardiac arrests treated by EMS and emergency departments. A large percentage of them presenting with VF/pulseless VT (Ventricular Fibrillation/Pulseless Ventricular Tachycardia).

VF and pulseless VT are both treated with epinephrine, then $300 of amiodarone, then epinephrine, then $300 of amiodarone again as long as the patient does not have a pulse. What if the patient gets a pulse back (ROSC – Return Of Spontaneous Circulation) before the patient is given any amiodarone? Just in case, we give them a bunch of prophylactic amiodarone to prevent them from going back into VF/pulseless VT.

A lot of EMS agencies never switched from lidocaine to amiodarone. They said that they couldn’t afford to. Many did.

Why?

Guidelines are Gospel.

This is the Cinderella Gold Standard – at least until the midnight when the new guidelines are released and the spectacular new Gold Standard has its coronation.

But –

Antiarrhythmics
There is no evidence that any antiarrhythmic drug given routinely during human cardiac arrest increases survival to hospital discharge. Amiodarone, however, has been shown to increase short-term survival to hospital admission when compared with placebo or lidocaine.[1]

Let me repeat what the AHA states about amiodarone and survival to discharge –

no evidence

How much evidence?

no evidence

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Ironically, at the time, I argued with the people who claimed that amiodarone only increased the number of patients dying in the hospital. My point was that there had not been enough research done to make the claim that amiodarone definitely does not improve survival, any more than the claim that amiodarone should be given to all VF/pulseless VT patients – yet.

There were studies underway and the only honest thing to do was to wait for the evidence before making any kind of definitive statement.

That was a decade ago.

Where are the results of those large enough to show a difference in outcome studies? I think that it is fair to conclude that there was nothing positive in the large enough to show a difference in outcome studies.

In other words amiodarone does only increase the number of patients dying in the hospital.

Where are the results of these survival studies we were told to wait for?

If the research had been positive, would Wyeth not advertise it?

I haven’t seen anything positive about amiodarone in cardiac arrest.

Nothing.

Amiodarone is just another over-hyped ineffective drug that has become a part of the standard of care nonsense that we use to harm patients.

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If I wanted to practice alternative medicine I could make more and I wouldn’t even need to have any education. I could just claim to be anything I want – except a real doctor. I could use magic words like Quantum, Qi or other Q words.

No.

I have no desire to be a fraud. The AHA needs to stop imitating the alternative medicine frauds and start acting like a science-based medicine organization.

Epinephrine – no evidence of improved outcomes that matter.

Amiodarone – no evidence of improved outcomes that matter.

We need to stop abusing patients with the wishful thinking of alternative medicine.

The new AHA ACLS guidelines are coming out next month. what are the chances that they reflect reality, rather than wishful thinking?

Our patients deserve better.

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Footnotes:

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[1] Management of Cardiac Arrest
2005 American Heart Association Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care
Part 7.2: Management of Cardiac Arrest
Medications for Arrest Rhythms
Free Full Text from the AHA

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Merit Badge Courses: Who Benefits? 1

At EP Monthly, there is an interesting article – Merit Badge Courses: Who Benefits?

I will address this in several parts. First is the quality of the merit badge courses.

Why do we object?
After years of residency training and days of grueling written and oral boards, many EPs find ACLS and BLS to be kindergarten-level courses. The classes address an aspect of clinical practice that we handle on an almost daily basis. When somebody from The Joint Commission asks for your updated ACLS card, but ignores your board certification, it is at very least out of order in importance and frankly insulting to the effort required to obtain the latter. Certainly, ABEM and AAEM agree on this and both organizations have position statements indicating that ACLS or ATLS certification should not be required of board certified Emergency Physicians.

I disagree about the kindergarten-level. That depends on the instructor. If all you are getting is a memorization of guidelines, then it is kindergarten-level, but that is not the way ACLS should be.

That is not the way I have taught ACLS. I certainly did not fit in at every hospital where I taught, but I fit in very well at others. The administrator of the program has a lot to do with that.

If you read much of my blog, you should realize that you would leave my course with more questions than when you arrived at the ACLS class. That is the way it should be. We are faced with guidelines based on expert opinions of inconclusive research, or even based on expert opinion without research.

Anyone who tells you that there are more than a handful of definite answers to be drawn from the research is lying to you. Or they don’t know what they are talking about.

The guidelines are based on thousands of studies.

A lot are animal studies, which are important, but more often than not do not work out as well when applied to real human patients. One of the obvious reasons is that the human patient has a cardiac arrest due to underlying medical conditions, that are not easily recreated in a mouse, pig, or dog. The surrogate arrests we create in animals are no more relevant than the surrogate endpoints that are promoted as answering questions about survival.

A cardiac arrest due to ligation of an otherwise healthy coronary artery in a pig is not the same as a cardiac arrest due to an occlusion of a diseased coronary artery in a human.

The Return Of Spontaneous Circulation (ROSC) is not any better than the animal studies at indicating that a treatment will improve survival to discharge.

Both are necessary intermediate steps in arriving at a treatment that works.

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What we know:

1. Chest compressions are important.

2. Fast compressions and deep compressions.

3. Interruptions to compressions are bad.

4. Defibrillation is important.

5. Therapeutic hypothermia also seems to be good.

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If I try to tell you that anything more than that is definite, I am telling a lie.

We may even have to revise some of what I have listed as definite.

Revise, not remove.

We may have to revise something, but I don’t think we will have to remove any of it.

Some people will tell you about information that goes well beyond this. They will present it as certain.

They will be either lying, ignorant, or both.

Does epinephrine improve survival to discharge?

We need much larger placebo controlled studies to answer that question. If can’t tell without these extremely large studies to show an effect, then the effect is not large.

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Why are we forcing the use of epinephrine?

If we are doing something, we convince ourselves that we are helping.

It is hard to have a bunch of us stand around and just watch someone doing chest compressions, especially if we are trained to give drugs and to do invasive procedures.

We can’t have doctors, nurses, and medics not using their ALS (Advanced Life Support) skills. There has to be something we can do that is better than what a 70 year old spouse can do. There has to be. Something other than those sweaty compressions – that’s what techs are for.

F*&# the research – I’m doing something! Give me an epi!

Look! A pulse! I did it!

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If you feel like you are taking a kindergarten course, you should look at the way instructors are taught, hired, and paid.

Most of the ACLS teaching I have done has been for less per hour than what I would make working as a paramedic. Not only that, but it is for fewer hours. Never mind overtime, this is less than straight time. This is great for a single parent, which is a big part of why I did so much teaching, but it is not a way to get people who are not limited by daycare hours (or school hours). If I am making less per hour as a medic, what incentive is there for someone who makes more than a medic?

How many residents are mandated to teach ACLS as part of their program requirements? How many of them are any good at teaching in a classroom? If you want a kindergarten environment, put a mandated resident, with no interest in teaching, in front of a class with a PowerPoint. Ativan does more for your memory.

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Continually Improved Life Expectancy

The CDC’s latest MMWR (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report) includes a graph of the change in life expectancy from 1970 to 2007. It is broken down by race (black/white) and gender (you can guess the categories). We continue to increase life expectancy. Unfortunately, there is no way I know of to graph changes in quality of life. That would be interesting.


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5651a7.htm

I was curious about the way this compares with earlier years. I only included the data from each year that ended in a zero.


Section 6 – Life Tables
Page 19
Table 6-5. Estimated Average Length of Life in Years, by Race and Sex: Death-Registration States, 1900-28, and United States, 1929-93
Free Full Text PDF from CDC page 25/28 in the PDF page counter

As you can see, the slope (you remember that term from math) of the increase changes at about 1950. This does not mean that anything bad was happening in 1950. Maybe all of the dramatic increases had already been made.

For comparison I decided to look at the land speed records from 1900 to 2010.

Why land speed records?

It was the first thing that popped into my head when I thought about something that would have improvements well documented over time. I used the highest speed recorded at the end of each year that ended in a zero.

There were actually a bunch of records in 1899 – from 39.3 to 69.8. There was no new record in 1900, so I included the record that everyone was trying to beat. You can see that there are some flat spots on the chart. That means that no new record had been set since the last record.


All Out Land Speed Record List

Do the flat parts of this chart indicate that no progress was being made? No.

One difference is that this is a chart of the fastest speed up until that time, so it will never go down.

The life expectancy chart will go whichever way the average life expectancy goes.

During this time – 1900 to 2007 – life expectancy has continually increased.

There has never been a decrease.

The fastest speed recorded in any year has often been less than the land speed record. Yet both show dramatic increases.

Just more evidence that there is no such thing as The Good Old Days.

This continual improvement has come about by rejecting tradition.

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Updated 19:15 9-16-10 – I added a title (I changed the link to match the title, too) and links for the chart information.

The first chart is from the CDC. The others were created with data from the locations linked.

I was rushing out the door and “oopsy.”

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FDA approves pediatric use of pralidoxime chloride for organophosphate poisoning

A press release from the FDA (Food and Drug Administration).

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved the pediatric use of Protopam Chloride (pralidoxime chloride), a drug used to treat poisoning by organophosphate pesticides and chemicals (e.g., nerve agents). The drug is approved to be administered either by intravenous (IV) or intramuscular (IM) injections.[1]

I did a quick search for pediatric versions of the pralidoxime autoinjector. I did not find anything. That does not mean that they do not exist. I tried to contact the FDA and AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) about this. The press release was at 16:24 during a holiday week. It is not surprising that I got voice mail at the FDA (at about 17:05) and an out of office email auto reply from the AAP later on.

This is not a press release that appears to be well thought out.

While there is a lot of useful information in there, there is not any mention of pediatric versions of the pralidoxime autoinjectors.

There is not any mention of pediatric dosage of pralidoxime.

Late addition – Late this morning (9-10-2010) there was a link to the Baxter label that was approved 9-08-2010. I added the parts in red at 12:48 on 9-10-2010

PEDIATRIC DOSING (FOR PATIENTS 16 YEARS AND UNDER)

PEDIATRIC INTRAVENOUS DOSING:

Refer to the Preparation for Administration section for instructions on reconstitution
and dilution of PROTOPAM that result in a 10-20 mg/mL solution for intravenous
infusion.

PROTOPAM can be given as intermittent intravenous infusions or as a loading dose
followed by continuous intravenous infusion, depending upon the patient’s clinical
condition. The specific dose given should depend upon the severity of the symptoms.

Loading Dose Followed By Continuous Infusion

Administer a loading dose of 20-50 mg/kg (not to exceed 2000 mg/dose) over 15-30
minutes followed by a continuous infusion of 10-20 mg/kg/hour.

Intermittent Infusion Dosing
Administer an initial intermittent infusion of 20-50 mg/kg (not to exceed 2000 mg/dose)
over 15-30 minutes. A second dose of 20-50 mg/kg may be indicated after about one
hour if muscle weakness has not been relieved. Repeat dosing is permissible every 10-12
hours as needed.

If it is not practical to administer intermittent or continuous intravenous infusions, or if
pulmonary edema is present, the 20-50 mg/kg dose should be given slowly (over not less
than five minutes) by intravenous injection as a 50 mg/mL solution in water (see
Preparation for Administration section). Additional doses may be given every 10-12
hours if muscle weakness persists.

PEDIATRIC INTRAMUSCULAR DOSING:

Refer to the Preparation for Administration section for instructions on reconstitution of
PROTOPAM that result in an approximate 300 mg/mL solution for intramuscular
administration.

Intramuscular injections in children should be administered in the anterolateral aspect of
the thigh to avoid the nerve, artery and vein, as well as the femur.

Pharmacokinetic modeling using published data from the scientific literature was
conducted to derive intramuscular dosing recommendations in the pediatric population.
The specific intramuscular dose of PROTOPAM should depend upon the severity of the
symptoms.

MILD SYMPTOMS
• For treatment of mild symptoms, administer a weight-appropriate intramuscular
dose (see Table 1 below) of PROTOPAM. Wait 15 minutes for PROTOPAM to
take effect.

If, after 15 minutes, mild symptoms persist, then administer a second weight-
appropriate intramuscular dose of PROTOPAM.

If after an additional 15 minutes, mild symptoms continue to persist, a third
weight-appropriate intramuscular dose of PROTOPAM may be administered.

The three PROTOPAM injections together are considered a single course of
treatment, and the total amount of PROTOPAM administered per course of
treatment (i.e., 3 weight-appropriate injections) should not exceed the total
amounts listed in Table 1 below.

If at any time after the first dose, the patient develops severe symptoms,
administer two additional weight-appropriate intramuscular doses of
PROTOPAM in rapid succession.

SEVERE SYMPTOMS
• For treatment of severe symptoms, administer the weight-appropriate
intramuscular dose (see Table 1 below) of PROTOPAM as three injections, in
rapid succession, into the patient’s anterolateral thigh (see Table 1 below).

PERSISTENT SYMPTOMS
• If symptoms persist after administering a complete course (3 injections of the
weight-appropriate dose each), the series may be repeated beginning
approximately 1 hour after administration of the last injection.
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This chart is from the same source as the information in red above.[*]

This is something that the AAP has been pushing for since 2008, so an extra day to address these, and other, issues is not unreasonable. I would say that we should wait until after the weekend, so that there is a full work week to address this, but with the fear of attack that goes with 9/11, this probably satisfies those who do not seem to get enough Ativan in their diets. Oh, joy.

What else does the press release say?

Protopam Chloride was approved by the FDA in 1964 to treat various types of pesticide and chemical poisoning in adults. The drug works as an antidote to pesticides and chemicals of the organophosphate class by slowing the attachment of the chemical to nerve endings.[1]

Apparently, the FDA has felt that no pediatric dosage is appropriate, because as far as I can tell, none of their material includes any pediatric dosage. 1964 approved for adults. Children are never on farms (where organophosphates are most often found), so there would be no reason to consider having pediatric dosage recommendations.

What does the AAP say?

Children are an especially vulnerable population when exposed to nerve agents. Because of the combination of greater dermal absorption (thinner, less keratinized skin), an increased minute volume, and increased CNS permeability to nerve agents, children have a much higher morbidity and mortality when compared to adults. For example, in experimental models the median lethal dose in juveniles is only 10% of that of adult counterparts.[2]

However, pralixoxime auto-injectors and diazepam are labeled for adult use only; pediatric versions of the auto-injectors are not yet available in the United States.[2]

We still do not know if pediatric pralixoxime auto-injectors are available in the US, but now we do have a press release.

Since 2001, pediatric experts have recommended the pralidoxime auto-injector be used in children after a nerve agent exposure. However, FDA has still not provided this approval. More importantly, FDA has not provided a pediatric indication to pralidoxime in any form.[2]

Oops. I wrote that it was since 2008. I was wrong. The AAP approved this back in 2001.

Experts quickly agreed that in the absence of complete data, there was sufficient information to support pralidoxime auto-injector safety and efficacy in children weighing more than 10 kg; such a group would receive no more than 60 mg per kilogram of pralidoxime, which was judged to be the upper limits of its safety in children, when balanced against the risks of non-treatment. Additionally, when the alternative approach of treating children through administration of pralidoxime from multi-use vials was considered, the group was unanimous in recommending that the pralidoxime auto-injector be given to any child weighing more than 10 kg. The American Academy of Pediatrics Disaster Preparedness Advisory Council (AAP DPAC) has concurred with this view.[2]

This wording can be confusing. The AAP are stating that children weighing 10 kg (22 pounds) or more should receive the adult pralixoxime auto-injector.

How do we know that this is what the AAP are stating?

such a group would receive no more than 60 mg per kilogram of pralidoxime, which was judged to be the upper limits of its safety in children.

The auto-injector form of pralidoxime found in the CHEMPACK contains 600 mg pralidoxime.[2]

That is the adult pralixoxime auto-injector.

There is only an adult pralixoxime auto-injector manufactured, so this can only refer to the adult dose. Also –

When activated, each auto-injector dispenses 600 mg of pralidoxime chloride in 2 mL of a sterile solution containing 20 mg/mL benzyl alcohol, 11.26 mg/mL glycine in Water for Injection, USP. The pH is adjusted with hydrochloric acid. The pH range is 2.0-3.0. The product is pyrogen free.[3]

How do we know that is the adult dose?

Pediatric Use:
Safety and effectiveness in children have not been established.
[3]

According to the press release, safety and effectiveness have even been established to the satisfaction of the FDA. Dosage probably has, too, but the FDA is keeping that a secret. The AAP is more comfortable providing dosage information.

And I should not forget the tricky math part – 600 mg divided by 10 kg (or more) = 60 mg/kg (or less). This results in the conclusion that children weighing 10 kg or more – would receive no more than 60 mg per kilogram of pralidoxime, which was judged to be the upper limits of its safety in children.

That is enough for one post. I sent emails to Life in the Fast Lane and The Poison Review about this. They are the toxicology gurus. I hope they will write something about treatment of pediatric organophosphate poisonings. They have different styles, so learning from people explaining the same thing differently is a great way to improve understanding.

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Footnotes:

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[1] FDA approves pediatric use of chemical poisoning treatment
FDA NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: Sept. 9, 2010
Media Inquiries: Sandy Walsh, 301-796-4669; sandy.walsh@fda.hhs.gov
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA
Press Release

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[2] Pralidoxime auto-injector and Midazolam as Pediatric Countermeasures for Nerve Agent Exposure
American Academy of Pediatrics
David T. Tayloe, Jr., MD, FAAP
AAP President
December 18, 2008
Google Quick View of Letter . . . . . Full Text PDF of Letter

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[3] PRALIDOXIME CHLORIDE injection
[Meridian Medical Technologies, Inc.]
DailyMed
Free Full Text FDA Label in HTML . . . . . Download of Free Full Text FDA Label in PDF

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[*] PROTOPAM Chloride (pralidoxime chloride) for Injection
NDA 014134/S-022
FDA Approved Labeling Text dated September 8, 2010
label approved on 09/08/2010 (PDF)

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