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EMT shoves cop out of ambulance, gets arrested


Could this have been handled better?

Did the police need to arrest the medic on scene?

Did the medic need to push the police officer?

We will probably never know the full story because the charges were dropped, but . . .

An FDNY medic was briefly arrested yesterday for allegedly shoving a cop from the back of an ambulance while a stricken woman was being treated inside, sources said.[1]


A 59 year old woman with chest pain should have a prompt 12 lead ECG (ElectroCardioGram).

The woman’s breasts will probably be exposed, so appropriate attempts at privacy are important.

The police need information for their documentation of what happened, but it is not at all clear if that is the extent of the information the police wanted.

She is having chest pain. I need to expose her chest for a 12 lead. Would you step outside for a couple of minutes to allow her some privacy?

Image credit. This does not appear to be a woman, so privacy is less of a concern in our culture.

That should result in the desired outcome.

Was that the way the medic handled it?

We do not know.

Was the police officer unreasonable?

We do not know.

Was there a history between the medic and the police officer?

We do not know.

Since the charges were dropped, we probably will not find out.

Even if the medic is completely wrong, there is not a good reason to arrest him on scene. If the medic is the one providing patient care, that will interrupt care.

Were there others able to provide uninterrupted care without any delay and with all of the information that the arrested medic had?

We do not know.

The police can follow the ambulance to the hospital, or ride up front, and arrest the medic after care is transferred.

The comments at PoliceOne.com are interesting and support the medic. The comments I have seen from EMS tend to support the police. It is nice to see people trying to put themselves in the position of members of the other group.

Never, EVER thought I’d say this… but I support the hose monkeys on this one![2]


Mision number one: preserve life and limb. Everything else comes later. And a piss contest over authority has no place and time when a patient needs assistance. Period.[2]


The officer, unless he was trying to get a dying declaration (which wasn’t the case) can wait until she is treated.

And if he is willing to charge the EMT, shouldn’t the officer be hit with the same charge? He’s doing the same thing that the EMT was doing.

God, I hate to be on the bucket brigade’s side.[2]


The article said that both parties called for a supervisor- that was a good call and it should have ended right there. Apologies from both sides, shake hands, get back to work.[2]


I’ve had EMT’s lose their temper and yell at me when it was unwarranted. Ive had them ask me to take cuffs off a combative person that was still struggling. I’ve had them say all kinds of stupid shit. But, I wait until the call is over before discussing it with them. Until then, they belong to their patient. Afterwards however, I can take all the time I need to tell them where to stick their medkit.[2]


Have I ever needed to push a police officer on scene, or off?


I would only expect to do this if the oficer were in danger of being hit by something (car, falling object, . . . ) or if the officer is completely out of control.

I don’t see that as the case here.

Was the police officer unreasonable?

Was the medic unreasonable?

We do not have a lot of information, but

I think that both were probably wrong.

We do not usually get to the level of national news with just one person being unreasonable.

Both police and EMS work in jobs that require excellent communication skills, so why was communication so poor on this call?

Why do we get assaulted on the job?

There are a variety of reasons, but one big one is poor communication skills.


[1] EMT, cop scuffle in ambulance
By Georgett Roberts, Jessica Simeone and Bob Fredericks
Last Updated: 4:32 AM, April 2, 2013
Posted: 2:02 AM, April 2, 2013
The New York Post

[2] EMT shoves cop out of ambulance, gets arrested – A scuffle began when the officer tried questioning a woman who the EMT was treating
April 02, 2013
By Georgett Roberts , Jessica Simeone and Bob Fredericks
Article and comments at PoliceOne.com


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