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Dr. David Price on How to Stay Healthy, While Treating COVID-19 Patients

Here is a quote from 2007, written about the response to the 1918 influenza pandemic.

 

Influenza pandemics have occurred regularly every 30 to 40 years since the 16th century. Today, influenza experts consider the possibility of another influenza pandemic, not in terms of if but when. Due to the high likelihood of an influenza pandemic, planning is underway in many U.S. states and other countries. We reviewed the responses of two neighboring Minnesota cities during the 1918–1919 pandemic to gain insight that might inform planning efforts today.[1]

 

We have chosen to forget what we had already learned. We can expect fewer deaths, this time, but this is a result of the arrogance and complacency that is our willful ignorance.

 

We work with patients who may not know that they have COVID-19 (novel COronaVIrus Disease identified in 2019), but we still have to treat them, just as we do for every other infectious disease. The same is true for patients who have tested positive for COVID-19. We are expected to take care of them, protect our other patients from transmission by us, and protect ourselves from infection.

 

Here is the advice, based on the best available evidence, from Dr. David Price of Weill Cornell Medical Center in New York City, currently the hottest spot of COVID-19 transmission in the world, but that will change. Dr. Price is a pulmonologist, treating COVID-19 patients full time, but he is not worried about becoming sick, because he uses evidence-based practices to protect himself. The quality of the video is not great, but the quality of the information is very high.

 

 

 

 

Some of this is not new. As I already stated, we knew this a century ago. We have chosen to forget how to deal with a pandemic.

 

We need to wash our hands.

 

We need to not touch our faces.

 

The most effective use of a mask may be to train yourself to not touch your face. We should have already been good at that, since we are not supposed to touch our faces, when we are wearing gloves, but many of us do touch our faces with gloves. When we have gloves on, the gloves should be considered to be contaminated, and anything everything we touch with our gloves should also be considered to be contaminated.

 

If you think that you need to be seen by a doctor, call first, because it can probably be handled over the phone.

 

If you think that you need to be seen in the emergency department, you probably do not.

 

Wash your hands before you put gloves on

 

Wash your hands after you take gloves off.

 

Clean everything you touch.

 

Wear an N95 mask, face shield, and a gown, when treating COVID-19 patients.

 

Be considerate of others and do not hoard medical supplies. The medical supplies do not do you any good unless you are treating COVID-19 patients and following these rules.

 

We need more accountability for giving bad dangerously incompetent medical advice.

 

President Trump has been promoting a poorly tested treatment as if he has a financial stake in the drug. A couple followed the “medical advice” of President Trump. One died. The other is in the hospital.[2]

 

In Iran, a bunch of people have consumed methanol to cure/protect against COVID-19. hundreds are reported to have died. Methanol ingestion is something that happens with children, who aren’t old enough to read the warnings on the label.[3]

 

Get your medical advice from a physician who understands evidence-based medicine.

 

We, in America, currently are producing too many new infections each day. We need to control our bad (infection-wise) behaviors in order to protect our patients, our neighbors, our families, and our selves. As health care providers, we should be better at this than everyone else. Too many of us are not.

 

 


Financial Times – Coronavirus: free to read
Click on the link for the full page of the latest graphs from Financial Times or click on the image for a larger version of the graph at the time I wrote this.

 

The countries with the most aggressive spread of COVID-19 are the countries that have not aggressively restricted movement among citizens. Anyone, including President Trump, telling you to ignore the social distancing recommendations is endangering the health of everyone. Most of us will probably become infected. Almost all of us will recover, but the rate of recovery drops if everyone becomes sick at the same time, since we do not have enough ventilators to adequately treat such a dramatic increase in very sick patients. The stock market will recover, although not immediately. The same thing happened a century ago, when dealing with the influenza pandemic.

 


This is a chart of what happened to the stock market before, during, and after the 2018 influenza pandemic.[4] Do not take this as trading advice – maybe if you get your medical advice from science deniers, you should trade, based on this. There are many differences between 2018 and now, such as the size, and importance, of other markets. This isn’t the end of the world, unless you don’t follow safe hygiene practices and get yourself infect. Crying about the economy and worshiping in a “traditional” way should not earn any sympathy for Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick[5], First Things writer R.R. Reno, and Cardinal Raymond Burke.[6] Their promotion of immorality is despicable.

 

Social distancing was effective at limiting the spread of the pandemic.[7]

 

Do not expect a vaccine until 2021 or 2022.

 

Do not expect an effective treatment (something that significantly improves outcomes for patients, rather than just improves the sales for the manufacturers) for several months, at the earliest, because the drug President Trump has been promoting is not supported by good evidence. Ironically, HuffPost, which used to be Huffington Post and used to promote the science denialism of Jenny McCarthy, Dr. Oz, Oprah, and plenty of others, has a good article exposing the problems with the paper being cited by President Trump. Let’s hope that the name change is due to a dramatic change in their approach to reality.[8]

 

Footnotes:

[1] Lessons learned from the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic in Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota.
Ott M, Shaw SF, Danila RN, Lynfield R.
Public Health Rep. 2007 Nov-Dec;122(6):803-10. No abstract available.
PMID: 18051673

Free Full Text from PubMed Central® (PMC)

 

[2] Husband and wife poison themselves trying to self-medicate with chloroquine – An Arizona man is dead and his wife is hospitalized after both of them self-medicated with chloroquine.
By Kimberly Hickok – Reference Editor
3 days ago
Live Science
Article

 

[3] Bootleg Liquor and Why You Should Not Drink Methanol
By Live Science
Staff September 19, 2012
Article

 

[4] Market action a century ago suggests worst could be over for stocks, if not for the coronavirus pandemic
Published: March 19, 2020 at 1:50 p.m. ET
By Shawn Langlois
MarketWatch
Article

 

[5] Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick suggests elderly should die to save economy from coronavirus
By Kate Feldman
New York Daily News
March 24, 2020 | 11:46 AM
Article

 

[6] Editorial: May the lesson be indelibly inscribed — we need one another
Mar 24, 2020
by NCR Editorial Staff
National Catholic Reporter
Article

 

[7] Lessons learned from the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic in Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota.
Ott M, Shaw SF, Danila RN, Lynfield R.
Public Health Rep. 2007 Nov-Dec;122(6):803-10. No abstract available.
PMID: 18051673

Free Full Text from PubMed Central® (PMC)

 

 

Influenza pandemics have occurred regularly every 30 to 40 years since the 16th century. Today, influenza experts consider the possibility of another influenza pandemic, not in terms of if but when. Due to the high likelihood of an influenza pandemic, planning is underway in many U.S. states and other countries. We reviewed the responses of two neighboring Minnesota cities during the 1918–1919 pandemic to gain insight that might inform planning efforts today.

 

Many of the components of current pandemic influenza plans were utilized to some degree in Minneapolis and St. Paul during 1918–1919. Coordination between different levels and branches of government, improved communications regarding the spread of influenza, hospital surge capacity, mass dispensing of vaccines, guidelines for infection control, containment measures including case isolation and closures of public places, and disease surveillance were all employed with varying degrees of success. We focus on medical resources, community disease containment measures, public response to community containment, infection control and vaccination, and communications.

 

[8] The Hucksters Pushing A Coronavirus ‘Cure’ With The Help Of Fox News And Elon Musk – Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck and more have given a giant platform to a sketchy paper touting chloroquine.
03/20/2020 02:05 pm ET Updated Mar 20, 2020
HuffPost
By Nick Robins-Early
Article

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Comments

  1. Thanks Rogue. Stay safe.

  2. He say’s we are not getting this from people who have it and cough causing droplets in the air within six feet to inhale?
    Every virologist who has spoken on this 8th corona virus ( this is the 8th coronavirus. Common cold is a coronavirus) that it is also airborne not just from our hands touching our mouth, nose and ears.
    This doctor in my opinion is spreading dis – information.
    If he’s not?
    Provide us facts that humans can’t catch it airborne.

    • Peter Long,

      He say’s we are not getting this from people who have it and cough causing droplets in the air within six feet to inhale?

      I just watched the entire video, again. Dr. Price never makes that statement.

      Dr. Price should have made this presentation more clear and more organized, in several specific areas, but he does state that aerosolization does occur with procedures that produce secretions.

      A cough can produce aerosolization of respiratory secretions, just as suctioning can.

      Stay away from people. He should be explicit about staying away from people who are coughing. unfortunately, Dr. Price did not specifically address that – and it is important.

      This doctor in my opinion is spreading dis – information.
      If he’s not?
      Provide us facts that humans can’t catch it airborne.

      At 31:05, reading and responding to questions, he states, “I keep reading conflicting information on whether COVID is airborne versus droplet transmission. Do they absolutely know for sure? . . . What we know is that the vast, vast, vast majority of COVID-19 transmission is droplet, and what that means for all of the people on the phone call, who don’t know what droplet means, is hands to face.

      He goes on to state that, “80% of the time, that the nurses are in the room with a COVID patient, they’re just wearing a surgical mask. Only when they’re doing things that make them have to get secretions out, or spit, which we call an aerosolizing procedure, do they wear an N-95 mask. So the direct answer to your question is that there is probably a small amount of airborne spread for nurses, and I know we have a lot in our family. In Hong Kong and Singapore, doing those precautions, which is only wearing a surgical mask when seeing a patient and only wearing an N-95 mask when doing an aerosolizing procedure, there was zero transmission to health care providers.

      Watch the video again.

      Dr. Price is not saying what you suggest he is saying.

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