Some people may think that I am crazy for claiming that we should not use Lasix (furosemide). For a slightly different perspective, here is an emergency physician describing the appropriate treatment of unstable hypertensive acute pulmonary edema patients.
EMCrit is an excellent podcast blog with nice short podcasts. More important than being nice and short, the podcasts are science-based and address many of the issues that EMS treats. The first podcast from EMCrit is 10:33.
How important is furosemide?
Is the furosemide drug shortage important?
So, the first thing you do is get your Lasix . . .
Only
1:50
into
the
podcast.
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OK,
maybe
I
was
thinking
of
a
different
podcast.
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Maybe
I
was
wrong.
So, the first thing you do is get your Lasix and you throw it in the trash.
No.
I was right.
This is the podcast for me.
It’s not going to help you and it’s very potentially going to hurt you. No Lasix in these patients. Now, I’m sure your EMS providers have already given it. Well, that’s just fine, but you don’t have to exacerbate the problem. Most of these patients will end up volume depleted, not volume overloaded when you look at their intravascular space. You’re probably going to end up giving fluid to these patients, not trying to diurese them. The problem is not fluid overload.
Most of these patients will end up volume depleted,
10 minutes 33 seconds of somebody who understands CHF(Congestive Heart Failure)/ADHF (Acute Decompensated Heart Failure). And he isn’t subtle. 🙂
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PS – Dr. Weingart, why not try to get those of us in EMS to improve our care of these patients, too?
High-dose NTG and CPAP are also treatments that can be given by EMS. In some places, these are given by EMS.
With sublingual NTG (NiTroGlycerin) we probably cannot give too much to these patients.
We should be using NTG by IV in EMS. In Pennsylvania, IV NTG is an optional drug for 911 services.
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EMCrit’s page of references supporting this aggressive approach.
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Updated 02/08/11 to reflect the new blog address for EMCrit. http://emcrit.org/ The old links did not redirect appropriately.
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